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Re: I'm Begging for Work

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He blackmailed his boss, used f* f* f* in a conversation with him and you think "hink he's shown himself to have good character here."? Holy Batman.

@nilkin "You give me more money or I leave." vs. Just walking away from the negotiation. From my experience if you give in to "You give me more money or I leave" 6 months down the road it will be another "You give me more money or I leave" and then another. Wikipedia: "Blackmail is an act [..] involving unjustified threats to make [..] cause loss to another unless a demand is met."

Um...

that's exactly how salary negotiations work. If I don't do a good enough job, you demote or fire me. If I do a good enough job AND the market says I should make X, then X - Y isn't fucking good enough, and you should be warned that I'm happy to find an employer that WILL pay me what I ask for.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

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My email is blowing up. Sorry I haven't answered anyone, I really didn't expect much of a response and this on top of everything else is overwhelming. I really can't post my personal account names publicly, that would give away the company and, as I've said previously, I do really like the dev team. My team leader has a kid as well and works his ass off, and I want to see that pay off for him when they get through so…

Hi. Your post read like a blast from the past. I started out in a Ruby on Rails shop with an internship making $10 an hour. My laptop was an old HP, with fans that whirred (for some reason HP can't make/procure fans to save their lives). Everyone else had sleek new equipment. I built a couple great features, squashed tons of bugs, and learned a lot along the way. Near the end, I talked with the founders about raises a couple times, but it's clear what they needed was a way to save money on development for as long as possible. And what I needed was the experience of working with a real software team.

We all got what we were looking for. It's just a question of when you don't need that basic training anymore. Sounds like that time came for you around the same time it did for me. I can tell you - at that point, the only way up is out. You are much, much more employable now. Don't "beg for work" ... present yourself well and ask for market-rate. You said that's $75,000 in your area? Better yet, say you're looking for a range of $80-90k and see what they say.

I've got a question for you, and maybe an idea. Did you sign a non-compete agreement beyond just your term of employment?

Even if you did, it might not be enforceable in your state. Go to the billion-dollar rival and tell them how you've got almost a year of domain expertise under your belt working on a similar product. You're looking for that next step - full-time Software Engineer, and a chance to build on what you already know. You're able to make clear comparisons between the two offerings, and I bet you have some ideas about how theirs could be the best of both worlds. Oh, and when they ask you...

"Why did you leave your previous job?"

Don't panic. 18 story points on your last week, remember? You're a sharp web developer who rapidly rose in value - far faster than your perceived value to a CEO who forever saw you as "the cheap intern." Since you couldn't reach an agreement that met your salary requirements, you parted ways. Now you're able to devote more of your time to the search. That's all you need to say - so practice saying it with confidence.

Email real people at the target company (email is the new cover letter) or start asking questions on Twitter - don't just drop your resume in an upload. Start a conversation. Get your Team Lead and as many coworkers as possible to jump in with recommendations, when they ask for references.

My next offer after the internship was a real one, at market salary in Silicon Valley. There's light at the end of the first-job tunnel. It's tough now, but please believe me when I say it does get better.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

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I'd suggest the following, active twitter account completed Linkedin profile active github account active website (Github Pages allows free static hosting) For a remote job search, sign up for a free RSS site (I recommend https://newsblur.com/ ) and add some remote-only feeds, https://goremote.io/rss https://jobs.github.com/positions.atom https://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/feed?allowsremote=True Other good remote…

Why Twitter?

Mostly because many job sites (greenhouse.io and lever.co) ask for a twitter link along with LinkedIn and Github. I've found the more interesting you can make yourself when applying, the more likely you will get a follow up interview.

You don't need to be a 140-char Shakespeare, just follow some influences and projects you're interested in, re-tweet things you find useful and if you have anything of substance you've created (github, blog post etc) post it.

It's not so much showing off as it is showing you're on-top of new ideas and trends in your field.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

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SF devs make 150k+. It doesn't mean anything because at the end of the day after taxes and rent they probably take home less than you.

What a ridiculous statement. Taxes are what, a third of that? Leaves 100k. This means that rent would have to be $5k/mo before you get to the same starting point of $40k. And now you have $40k of money post-tax and post-rent; nurettin is talking about $40k before tax and accommodation. US$40k in Turkish lira loses a third to income tax as well, and I have no idea what accommodation is like there. $5k/mo rent exists i…

No one is moaning. I'm pointing out that envying someone making more than you is a pointless exercise.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

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Fellow literature student here. I'm very curious how you managed to shift to data analysis. I've made a successful shift to marketing, but technical work still eludes me.

literature major here, just chiming in to say it can be done! (I'm a founder/CEO now.) Follow the things that challenge you and that you can learn from, that intersect with things you have some strength in. Maybe marketing in the context of developer platforms?

Hey Greg,

whenever you scale to Germany, please shoot me a line. What you are building seems to me the ideal service to use. So many use cases shooting through my head...

Greetings from the old world Sven

Re: I'm Begging for Work

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Don't make excuses for the CEO. He didn't forget because he's a busy guy. He straight up exploited you. "I don't blame my boyfriend, he only beats me when I deserve it." You learn many valuable lessons on that first job. One of them is that if they pay you cheaply initially they will almost never see you as "valuable" after that. It's just human nature. Another lesson is that the best way to get a raise is to switch…

> You learn many valuable lessons on that first job. One of them is that if they pay you cheaply initially they will almost never see you as "valuable" after that. I remember at my second job, I discovered that a co-worker who worked there longer, made less money than I did, and I considered myself underpaid. And that was actually a pretty nice company with decent founders. The co-worker started there as a student I…

I had the same experience except it was my 3rd job. My colleague dropped out of MIT to work there and was easily 2-3 times the coder that I was and had written all their software. I'm positive he was getting paid less than I was. (Our boss/the owner was also great.)

The good news is that when I left I they gave him a huge raise, I think they doubled his salary.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

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Dont spill all the beans to your wife, she's gonna bring it up in a fight later one. ask me how i know.

Don't listen to this advice. Be honest. Don't ask me how I know.

I never said don't be honest, i just said don't spill all your beans. you'll see later what i mean.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

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Doesn't this person deserve some form of severance or the equivalent of? It's kind of ridiculous that he was "cut out" from a job like some kind of child who was no longer part of the "club". It's grossly unprofessional to disconnect an employee without any due process or policy. I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the events leading up to the situation.

> It's grossly unprofessional to disconnect an employee without any due process or policy. In the US, it depends on what state the company is headquartered. Many are "right to work" states, which means any employee can be fired so long as it is not for reasons such as age, sex, weight, religious beliefs, or sexual orientation. In those states, an employee literally can be fired for a reason such as "you upset the own…

Why do people confuse "Right to Work" with "Employment At Will"?

Right to work means that you can work for an employer without having to join a union or pay union dues. Right to work is used in conservative states to keep unions from forming.

Employment-at-will means your employer or you can terminate the employment relationship for (most) any reason whatsoever. If you are an employer, you can fire someone for wearing the wrong color shirt (This really happened). If you are the employee, you can say "I quit" and leave with no notice for not having coffee available in the workplace (also, really happened at one of my previous employers).

The problem with employment-at-will is that the employer has more power because the employer-employee relationship is asymmetrical.

We need to teach this stuff in high school civics so everyone can see how disgusting employment-at-will really is.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

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literature major here, just chiming in to say it can be done! (I'm a founder/CEO now.) Follow the things that challenge you and that you can learn from, that intersect with things you have some strength in. Maybe marketing in the context of developer platforms?

Hey Greg, whenever you scale to Germany, please shoot me a line. What you are building seems to me the ideal service to use. So many use cases shooting through my head... Greetings from the old world Sven

thanks -- will do!
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