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No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

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Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

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You're not OP. I was talking to OP. Do you agree when he wrote, "Get over it. If you can't get over it, don't play with people you don't know."?

I agree wholeheartedly with hnnewguy. He doesn't care. I don't care. Nobody cares. Our complete and utter lack of an emotional reaction to your attempt to provoke is conclusive evidence that this sort of thing is simply not a big deal. You are just wrong. Grow up already.

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Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

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Men are found in the top and the bottom of society. Men are much more likely to be wrongfully accused of incest or sexual offending children. It's not the same I agree. But men are equally vulnerable just about other things.

Visit your local state capital, Washington DC, the executive offices of Fortune 1000 companies, etc. What do you see? Who has power in our society? > Men are much more likely to be wrongfully accused of incest or sexual offending children. I would be very surprised if this compares to the incidence of sexual assault. Also, men are much more likely to sexually assault women (and children), so perhaps the false accusat…

Now narrow it down to Fortune 1000 companies the last 5-10 years and you will see quite a big change.

We often forget that things take time to change. There are primarily CEO men in fortune 1000 companies be because of historical reasons.

Of course you are going to find an overwhelming number of men at fortune 1000 companies but the more you move towards today that will shrink.

Now go down to the homeless shelters and tell me what you see. Who is in the bottom of society?

Men are generally found in the top and the bottom of society but the reasons have changed radically the last 50 years and they have nothing to do with women being treated unfairly.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

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> "They filled my Tumblr mailbox with the usual anon posts like, ‘Die, you fucking cunt!’ And, ‘You'll know when I rape your mouth hole, bitch!’ When I turned off anonymous messages, they made new Tumblr accounts and continued to spam me. Later, they discovered the link to my personal webpage and sent hate mail through there. I still get an occasional random hate message through my website."

There is an assumption that all these anonymous posts are from men, but there is the possibility that some are from women.

I've read a few articles like this, but I cannot remember one which looks at sexism from a world wide web oriented viewpoint.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

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What hypocrisies? There are none. You are imagining those. When there is something you cannot understand it’s proper to address that with “Men just don’t …” That’s ok. It’s no claim that all men act disgustingly, it’s only a claim that men don’t understand. That’s also completely unrelated to the “What can you – as a man – do to help?” part. I mean, where is the connection there. You are saying very confusing things.

Hypocrisy is saying men should not tell women how to feel, and then following that up with an entire article telling men how to feel and behave. Pretty sure I didn't imagine that.

And now you are on hacker news telling people how they should feel. How hypocritical of you.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

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One thing I could understand that why she's being hated is, it is not the first time she post feminism stuff with strong opinion on website, and then refuse anyone to comment it. She just acts like those garbage class politician that trying to brainwash you while preventing ppl from discussing the sensitive opinion. I wouldn't say it's owned, but I know why some ppl will not like her.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

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> ... "Damn, she's accomplished and brilliant" like I do when I see a photo of Robert Downey Jr or Idris Elba or Benedict Cumberbatch. That's weird. When I see them I think they are good (or at least interestingly) looking and have pleasant voices. I would never think of them as brilliant or accomplished (even though I know they are) because they do something I have no idea about. Just the same when I saw worlds best…

You got downvoted because you posted an honest description of your own state of mind in a feminism thread. It happens elsewhere as well, not just on HN. Eventually, you learn to just avoid participating in those conversations. Never mind downvoting for individual disagreement; on certain topics you will be downvoted for disturbing the acoustics of the echo chamber. Mammalian brains are hard-wired to notice reproducti…

The major problem is that there are no outward physical signs of outstanding competence in your niche of economic s specialization

Expensive tailored suit, fist-bitingly expensive wristwatch, huge house in an expensive area, very new luxury car... I could go on and on.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

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One thing I could understand that why she's being hated is, it is not the first time she post feminism stuff with strong opinion on website, and then refuse anyone to comment it. She just acts like those garbage class politician that trying to brainwash you while preventing ppl from discussing the sensitive opinion. I wouldn't say it's owned, but I know why some ppl will not like her.

I don't think that was her decision. Comments were open for a long time, and I think the Polygon staff closed them.

Consider: perhaps they were closed for the very reason that she wrote this piece.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

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I think you're being downvoted because you may have misunderstood the parent comment and replied with an analogy that makes no sense.

There is no misunderstanding. The parent comment is trying to reinforce the practice of pitting the genders against each other and continues to argue that men need condescendingly "lectured" on the matter. My change in wording is meant to show how ridiculous a notion that is. Sexist remarks in articles such as this are getting a free pass because at one time feminism served a purpose, and today's hypersensitive polit…

The view of the piece's author is that there are things going on that women experience that some men are not aware of. She is trying to explain those things.

You feel this is being "condescendingly lectured", and I don't see a way around it. Being receptive to someone explaining something to you requires that you: 1. acknowledge you do not know or understand that thing; 2. acknowledge that the other person does; 3. are willing to receive that knowledge from the other person. If you are not willing to grant any one of those, you will feel the other person is being condescending.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

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I'm a male in the software industry, and I never really know what to make of these sorts of articles. It's terrible that someone should have to go through this. The anonymity of the internet is a great and terrible thing -- some people really get off on being horrible to people, and unfortunately when that person is a male, and they know they're talking to a woman, the low-hanging fruit is base sexism. But what is su…

This is a good read and the ideas in its background apply to a number of issues, one of which being the perceived helplessness you have mentioned. http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/WarZoneChaptIIIE.htm... For convenience's sake, > I want to see you use those legendary bodies and that legendary strength and that legendary courage and the tenderness that you say you have in behalf of women; and that means against…

I'm not sure what "systematic, political, active, public attack" means when the enemy are anonymous internet trolls.

Re: No skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry

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I haven't been reading HN for that long, but I'm rather impressed that this thread didn't get that much similar comments. I think it shows community maturity and also that these subjects are getting through in the IT crowd.

You're impressed there weren't more comments like mine? Can I ask what it is about my comment that you did not like?

Your comments in this thread are about dismissing the message of the article, by reversing the roles (you talk about men being "harassed" by this article), by using rhetoric analysis (which looks to me like an excuse to share two links that have nothing to do with the article).

Sure, anyone can pick flaws in an article, especially in a piece of opinion like this one. One could go on and on about how this is biased, how that is a fallacy, how this is a red herring. That's usually the vast majority of comments you'd get on articles about women condition in our society/our communities. Thing is, this is not a mathematical demonstration or a scientific call for review.

What I didn't like about your comment is that you don't show the faintest sign of empathy towards what women in the video game industry might endure, and that you actually put a fair amount of energy dismissing what I see as a call for reflection, or help.

What I like about the other comments in this thread is the "shit, I never knew that was broken, thanks for the article, what could we do to fix it?" mentality that I generally see in HN threads about technology, hacking, health, etc.

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