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Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by cgh »

shaan7 wrote: post #207
demallien wrote: post #161

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Yes, linux geeks can school Apple on systems engineering when they can deliver laptops with a better battery life than Macs get. As for this latest release, what, adding a new systems programming language and a whole new graphics API isn't enough? At least my Mac recognizes and uses a second monitor when I plug it in, unlike the bloody Fedora 19 box that I use at work. And don't get me started on that second graphics…

Dell XPS Ultrabook with Kubuntu 14.04 here, without any patches or extra settings. 11W consumption with medium screen brightness, works for ~5 hours with normal browsing (occasional compiling) Recognizes all monitors and projectors (even the ones Macs fail at) at my work place. The WiFi just works (TM). You are not using a "Ubuntu laptop". As danford said, just pick a Ubuntu certified machine* and things will just wo…

I used an Ubuntu certified desktop (well, laptop) and things did not just work (TM). It generally failed to recognise my second monitor unless I opened the system settings, then closed it. It also failed to recover from sleep on a regular basis and got terrible battery life. Needless to say, I ditched Ubuntu. I think it's junk, to be quite honest.

I'm using Crunchbang on that laptop now and it's mostly better.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by tvon »

aroman wrote: post #113
eurleif wrote: post #80

Which parts of the front window in this screenshot[0] are draggable? Maybe this is just me, but I don't like how the titlebar and window contents are visually merged. [0] https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_her...

All of them — everywhere that isn't another control. Apple stole this design wholesale from GTK[1], but I think it's a superior paradigm anyway, so I don't really mind. [1] https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html

> Apple stole this design wholesale from GTK

This has been part of Finder and iTunes since at least 2006, at a point when it wasn't the norm for anything in GNOME2 that I can recall.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by raverbashing »

wting wrote: post #205
demallien wrote: post #161

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Yes, linux geeks can school Apple on systems engineering when they can deliver laptops with a better battery life than Macs get. As for this latest release, what, adding a new systems programming language and a whole new graphics API isn't enough? At least my Mac recognizes and uses a second monitor when I plug it in, unlike the bloody Fedora 19 box that I use at work. And don't get me started on that second graphics…

My 15" rMBP running Mavericks randomly reboots on occasion, and to this day still requires me to manually disable / enable WiFi almost every time I open the lid. Meanwhile Homebrew is a poor substitute for aptitude and PPAs, multi-monitor support is relatively poor (xmonad excels here), and the Apple keyboard is missing a bunch of keys I use on a regular basis.

Yeah, unfortunately Mavericks is really bad

I'm back on 10.8.5 and not in a rush to upgrade again (because Mavericks crapped itself and I had to restore from Time Machine)

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by sergiosgc »

demallien wrote: post #161
Angostura wrote: post #154

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Mavericks introduced a lot of tangible under the hood improvements that perhaps you missed, Ars did a thorough review, perhaps start with how the OS was changed to improve energy consumption: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/10/os-x-10-9/12/#energy-sa...

Yes, linux geeks can school Apple on systems engineering when they can deliver laptops with a better battery life than Macs get. As for this latest release, what, adding a new systems programming language and a whole new graphics API isn't enough? At least my Mac recognizes and uses a second monitor when I plug it in, unlike the bloody Fedora 19 box that I use at work. And don't get me started on that second graphics…

My Thinkpad X1 Carbon draws something between 6W and 16W between idle and moderate use. I never measured it at full load. Perfectly acceptable, and way competitive with the equivalent Macbook Air, which draws 25W idle.

So, I guess, per your definition, that Linux geeks can school Apple today.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by chanced »

demallien wrote: post #161
Angostura wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mavericks introduced a lot of tangible under the hood improvements that perhaps you missed, Ars did a thorough review, perhaps start with how the OS was changed to improve energy consumption: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/10/os-x-10-9/12/#energy-sa...

Yes, linux geeks can school Apple on systems engineering when they can deliver laptops with a better battery life than Macs get. As for this latest release, what, adding a new systems programming language and a whole new graphics API isn't enough? At least my Mac recognizes and uses a second monitor when I plug it in, unlike the bloody Fedora 19 box that I use at work. And don't get me started on that second graphics…

Lucky you. A lot of us were left with massive paperweights after 10.9.2 dropped: https://www.google.com/search?q=osx+10.9.2+monitor+site:disc...

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by gsnedders »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #228
lucian1900 wrote: post #220

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The filesystem is the worst of all modern platforms. It's in dire need of an upgrade, which doesn't appear to be coming.

Aside from: - silly mixed-case directories with spaces - case-insensitive filenames what negative aspects of the filesystem would affect an 'intermediate' user (e.g. a high-level hacker) on a day-to-day basis? Admittedly, those two are very frustrating, but I'm struggling to think of any others.

There has been a case-sensitive variant of HFS+ supported for a decade now.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by chanced »

leejoramo wrote: post #124
sdfjkl wrote: post #101

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Alfred does a lot more than that. But yes, the inspiration is obvious (and Alfred itself was inspired by Quicksilver).

Which was inspired by LaunchBar. The cmd-space keyboard shortcut originated with LaunchBar back in the NeXT days. Spotlight has had added features repeatedly over the years, and people have said that LaunchBar/QuickSliver/Alfred are about to be "Sherlocked".

> Sherlocked:

> To have developed a product and just started shipping it, only to have Apple come along and provide exactly the same functionality in a system update.

> It happened to Karelia Software twice. Once with Sherlock and again with iWeb.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by Osmium »

AaronFriel wrote: post #147

I am deeply disappointed by the "development" of OS X. It seems that Apple has long ago gutted their x86 OS group due to dwindling profits and lack of real competition. There are a handful of reasons people buy a Mac, and I would largely put them into three groups: * Students looking for a stable and/or sexy device for their university. * Artists using applications that don't exist on other platforms (or that priorit…

It's disappointing to see this comment at the top of this thread considering the amount of work that Apple has poured into OS X over the last few years. Criticism is great, but comments like "Apple continues to apply lipstick to the OS X pig" just seem hyperbolic and unhelpful. For example, one of your specific criticisms is that their FDE solution is "hack-ish" but I have no idea why you'd think that, e.g. look up Core Storage (which is what enables their FDE support and their Fusion drives) and their security whitepaper on how the FDE works under the hood. It looks like a well-thought out and developed feature to me. I also don't understand why, e.g., students, artists and hackers-who-like-unix are considered examples of "small groups with eclectic needs" when really those three groups together probably make up a large chunk of OS X's user base, so it makes sense that development would be focused towards them?

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by jamra »

tvon wrote: post #277
super_mario wrote: post #262

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How does the "dark mode" look like? What does it apply to? Can you please post some screeshots?

I don't think the `dark mode` is in the beta, or if it is I can't seem to find it.

I can't find it either. Maybe I should go back to the keynote to see how he did it. Other people are saying that dark mode is not included.

Re: OS X Yosemite

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Post by mzs »

eurleif wrote: post #80

Which parts of the front window in this screenshot[0] are draggable? Maybe this is just me, but I don't like how the titlebar and window contents are visually merged. [0] https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_her...

Yikes, I've always appreciated how I can drag the little document icon where ever I like (like a terminal.app window) to do something else to the file. Also the click and hold key to see the folder hierarchy or open the folder even in the Finder. Those features are positively ancient, they also added the little drop down arrow to the right recently. I hope windows in programs like Preview.app behave at least like how Quicktime Player.app windows behave today, where the title bar with the document icon appear upon the mouse entering the window.
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