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Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by sarchertech »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #280
sarchertech wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re youngish and healthy a short course of an oral steroid is very low risk and doesn’t require a PPI. And it’s indicated for severe throat pain. There’s nothing wild about that prescription.

1) not that young and 2) definitely not “severe throat pain.” Drip + mild sore throat that went a few too many days with discolored phlegm. Clearly bacterial infection, clearly needed antibiotics, but definitely not severe

Discolored phlegm doesn’t mean bacterial infection. Viral infections, and allergic sinusitis can cause it too.

Bacterial sinus infections are absurdly over treated [1]. It can take weeks to recover from a viral infection.

Not saying that you are a wuss, but my guess is, the doctor probably over-indexed on the throat pain, assumed you were a bit of wuss for calling the doctor for a sore throat, and decided to give you something to make you feel better quickly.

Either way unless you were 65+ a short course of oral steroids is very safe (and even then it’s only very mildly dangerous).

1.https://www.aafp.org/afp/2020/0615/p758

“Without antibiotics, rhinosinusitis resolved in 46% of patients after one week and in 64% of patients after 14 days.

Antibiotics can shorten time to resolution but in only five to 11 more people per 100 compared with placebo or no treatment.

Despite this, approximately 86% of U.S. ambulatory visits for acute rhinosinusitis result in oral antibiotic prescriptions.1 In Europe, antibiotic prescription rates for acute rhinosinusitis in primary care range from 72% to 92%”

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by lelele »

CalRobert wrote: post #171
lelele wrote: post #163

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Sure, but how confident can they be that it doesn't also do things they don't want? Tests can't be exhaustive, whereas even a mediocre developer is likely to possess enough background knowledge to notice risks that a non-developer would not think to test. Some people keep forgetting that we haven't reached AGI yet. These tools can still make serious and sometimes obvious mistakes. Not long ago, vibe-coded software co…

I hear you, but when their choices are “flawed solution that exists” vs “perfect one that doesn’t” they will pick the former most of the time.

Sure, but the original comment was more like “flawed solution that exists” vs “decent solution that exists”, wasn't it? That is: vibe-coding can't replace developers yet, not even mediocre ones.

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by [deleted] »

sarchertech wrote: post #281
Forgeties79 wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) not that young and 2) definitely not “severe throat pain.” Drip + mild sore throat that went a few too many days with discolored phlegm. Clearly bacterial infection, clearly needed antibiotics, but definitely not severe

Discolored phlegm doesn’t mean bacterial infection. Viral infections, and allergic sinusitis can cause it too. Bacterial sinus infections are absurdly over treated [1]. It can take weeks to recover from a viral infection. Not saying that you are a wuss, but my guess is, the doctor probably over-indexed on the throat pain, assumed you were a bit of wuss for calling the doctor for a sore throat, and decided to give you…

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Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by [deleted] »

sarchertech wrote: post #259
red75prime wrote: post #255

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> they still wanted to see someone in person. Well, that someone might use AI diagnostic tools too.

They might. But they don’t want to talk to someone with a 6 week course who reads a diagnosis from a tablet. They want to talk to an expert. Physicians have to understand the diagnosis and treatment plan. At the end of the day, they are legally responsible for the patient.

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Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by Forgeties79 »

sarchertech wrote: post #281
Forgeties79 wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) not that young and 2) definitely not “severe throat pain.” Drip + mild sore throat that went a few too many days with discolored phlegm. Clearly bacterial infection, clearly needed antibiotics, but definitely not severe

Discolored phlegm doesn’t mean bacterial infection. Viral infections, and allergic sinusitis can cause it too. Bacterial sinus infections are absurdly over treated [1]. It can take weeks to recover from a viral infection. Not saying that you are a wuss, but my guess is, the doctor probably over-indexed on the throat pain, assumed you were a bit of wuss for calling the doctor for a sore throat, and decided to give you…

“Doctors don’t prescribe things unnecessarily. This guy must be a wuss. I can say that with the very little context I have.”

I think we’re done here man.

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by sarchertech »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #286
sarchertech wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discolored phlegm doesn’t mean bacterial infection. Viral infections, and allergic sinusitis can cause it too. Bacterial sinus infections are absurdly over treated [1]. It can take weeks to recover from a viral infection. Not saying that you are a wuss, but my guess is, the doctor probably over-indexed on the throat pain, assumed you were a bit of wuss for calling the doctor for a sore throat, and decided to give you…

“Doctors don’t prescribe things unnecessarily. This guy must be a wuss. I can say that with the very little context I have.” I think we’re done here man.

> “Doctors don’t prescribe things unnecessarily. This guy must be a wuss. I can say that with the very little context I have.”

I guess way to argue with yourself? That’s not what I said.

> Not saying that you are a wuss

Then I provided evidence to demonstrate that it’s more likely than not that the doctor prescribed you antibiotics unnecessarily.

So neither of the straw man statements you created were accurate.

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by jrowen »

mike_hearn wrote: post #274
latraviata wrote: post #220

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Alphabet and Meta, two of the largest firms to ever exist by market capitalization, revenues and profits, are largely sustained by their online advertisement products. I don't think your assessment that this is mostly automated stands in the face of the number of man-hours both of these companies purchase each year.

But their ad tech/sales departments are relatively small compared to the whole company. Most Alphabet/Meta employees are subsidized by ads, not working on them directly.

And many of them have the pleasure of working on projects that will never see the light of day and have roughly epsilon chance of positively impacting anyone! One golden goose that changed the world and legions of people spinning wheels. What a system!

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by jrowen »

sharikous wrote: post #162
jrowen wrote: post #70

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This. Before we worry about how much work there is left, we have to define what work is "to be done." We're already at a point where an incredible amount of work done isn't strictly "necessary." It's not growing food, it's not making clothing, it's not building houses, or providing other basic needs and comforts... How many man-hours go into various parts of the advertising distribution chain? Though a certain fracti…

> We just need to find the social structures to provide people with basic needs and reserve "work" for things that are vital to society or truly inspired. just?

Sure it’s a tall order but we’re not even trying (in a broader collective sense, I know there are people doing good work). We’re still voting for billionaires rights.

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by [deleted] »

sarchertech wrote: post #275
mejutoco wrote: post #262

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> Many medical facilities are only staffed with permanent nurses, with doctors helicoptering in, from time to time, to take care of specific duties that may require certain licenses, or provide specific advice. > Maybe for a very loose definition of medical facilities that includes assisted living facilities. Or midwives, for unimportant things like giving birth /s obviously

Nurse midwives have to go back to grad school after becoming a nurse and are no longer operating as nurses. Despite containing the word nurse it is a completely different job.

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