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Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by sarchertech »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #115
burningChrome wrote: post #15

The other issue is Gen Z and Gen A are now very much opposed to AI. I'm wondering with those two sets of generations who already have a very negative view of AI, how AI can survive that coming tsunami of change. According to WRITER’s 2026 Enterprise Adoption Survey, 44% of Gen Z employees admit to sabotaging their company's AI strategy in at least one way compared to 29% of employees overall. Sabotage behaviours incl…

The utility of AI is too high for the opposition to be real. It's like money or heroin. Someone who says money is the root of all evil will likely take a billion dollars if offered if for free. Everybody says they hate heroin but once you try it, you can't get enough of it.

Most addictive drug users eventually stop on their own. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-you-cure-your...

Also new heroin users are only 30% likely to become addicted. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/...

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by sarchertech »

globular-toast wrote: post #150
burningChrome wrote: post #15

The other issue is Gen Z and Gen A are now very much opposed to AI. I'm wondering with those two sets of generations who already have a very negative view of AI, how AI can survive that coming tsunami of change. According to WRITER’s 2026 Enterprise Adoption Survey, 44% of Gen Z employees admit to sabotaging their company's AI strategy in at least one way compared to 29% of employees overall. Sabotage behaviours incl…

Are they really opposed to AI or are they just opposed to anything that old people do/like, just like every generation? The moment they get their own AI that us dinosaurs don't understand they'll be all over it.

ChatGPT is <4 years old. It is the new thing. If jt followed every other technology trend, they should be the biggest proponents.

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by sharadov »

zkmon wrote: post #59

You need to first address 1)What is work? 2)Why we need to work? Animals don't "work". Not atleast for their own sake. If there is enough green pasture and water around, they don't even migrate to other places. So if work is meant to provide food and shelter and if machines can ensure that, humans don't need to "work". Wealth is only a reserve capacity to help future generations so that they don't need to work for th…

Why are you assuming that the machines or their masters will be benevolent? All actions so far have been contrarian.

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by red75prime »

sarchertech wrote: post #246
red75prime wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By achieving the same or a higher level of effectiveness than doctors, obviously.

My wife is a pediatric ER doctor. She’s board certified in pediatrics and pediatric emergency medicine. Here’s a scenario that regularly plays out. Someone she’s knows calls her up late and says their child has a minor fever, upset stomach or some other mild symptom. They ask “should I go to the ER or can I just wait till tomorrow to go to the pediatrician?” My wife says it’s totally fine to wait until tomorrow. That…

> they still wanted to see someone in person.

Well, that someone might use AI diagnostic tools too.

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by throwaway-11-1 »

zkmon wrote: post #59

You need to first address 1)What is work? 2)Why we need to work? Animals don't "work". Not atleast for their own sake. If there is enough green pasture and water around, they don't even migrate to other places. So if work is meant to provide food and shelter and if machines can ensure that, humans don't need to "work". Wealth is only a reserve capacity to help future generations so that they don't need to work for th…

Who owns the machines? Work is what we exchange with capital for food and shelter, at this point I'm not so sure they would give it to us for free under any circumstance. I mean look at all the homelessness and medical debt, its clearly a discipline mechanism

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by lelele »

sarchertech wrote: post #244
lelele wrote: post #206

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P.S. Again, it all boils down to AGI not being with us yet. I guesstimate that AI writes at least 95% of my code, but given how often LLMs come up with inefficient or ineffective solutions, I'd never entrust my reputation to a vibe-coded app. Startups may have little to lose vs much to gain from a shorter time to market, but an established company?

>much to gain from shorter time to market Is that true anymore when anyone can vibe code? Seems to me that quality, correctness, and performance will be huge differentiators in a see of vibe coded slop.

I definitely hope so!

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by Gud »

RandomLensman wrote: post #165
nibbleyou wrote: post #164

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If AGI can do everything and a few own the AGI, then they have that power. Even now the machine owners have enough power to change laws to their liking, bending governments and public opinion to their will.

Unless AGI has actual god-like powers, the owners don't have that power. Governments' and public opinion can change and are not so easy to control as you make it out to be. Is, for example, the EU AI Act or the GDPR the will of the machine owners? The odd thing is that after the pandemic just showed what societies can enforce, somehow it all is forgotten again when it comes to who holds what power.

God like powers are not necessary.

What is necessary are pretty basic killer robots with the capability of determining who is a friend and who is a foe. These systems already exist.

Labor is a commodity that has had a diminishing value in our current, capitalist system. That means, people who rely on their labor(most of us) instead of capital(a few), have control over less and less resources(this is already happening).

With the current trend, what generation of your grand children will have nothing at all?

Or perhaps, they stand to benefit?

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by sarchertech »

red75prime wrote: post #255
sarchertech wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife is a pediatric ER doctor. She’s board certified in pediatrics and pediatric emergency medicine. Here’s a scenario that regularly plays out. Someone she’s knows calls her up late and says their child has a minor fever, upset stomach or some other mild symptom. They ask “should I go to the ER or can I just wait till tomorrow to go to the pediatrician?” My wife says it’s totally fine to wait until tomorrow. That…

> they still wanted to see someone in person. Well, that someone might use AI diagnostic tools too.

They might. But they don’t want to talk to someone with a 6 week course who reads a diagnosis from a tablet. They want to talk to an expert.

Physicians have to understand the diagnosis and treatment plan. At the end of the day, they are legally responsible for the patient.

Re: What will be left for us to work on?

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Post by frozenseven »

ndiddy wrote: post #248
frozenseven wrote: post #175

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>owners of the machine have no need to keep you alive And what reason do they have for killing everyone else? Where is this abject nonsense even coming from? You can't just assert that the "owners of the machine" are all cartoonishly evil for some unknown reason. All else being equal, at least Sam Altman et al. aren't constantly making up fantasies about exterminating people.

Nobody's saying they'd actively round up and kill everyone, they would just have no reason to keep the "unnecessary" people alive. The elite class is generally in favor of doing things that worsen human suffering and cause additional deaths if doing so helps their financial position. See the recent cuts to SNAP and Medicaid for an example. If large swaths of the population got laid off from their jobs because they we…

Defunding wasteful programs that steal money from the actual working class is a good thing, actually.

But that's neither here nor there, since we're talking about a world with an artificial superintelligence. That's the hypothetical here.

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