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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by hk__2 »

Sammi wrote: post #45
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is.

No you don't; it's often overkill to use the SOTA models. People want SOTA because it's shiny, but there are a lot of tasks where it's cheaper and more efficient to use other models.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by solenoid0937 »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

The EU has totally and utterly failed when it comes to frontier AI. They are out of the running, they won't catch up in time for superintelligence. There literally is not enough compute for sale in the world for them to do so.

They crippled their own domestic entities with the AI Act. (see the Mistral CEO's rant.)

If you want to use frontier models until then, you're gonna use what's available, and that's US models.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by nevi-me »

They should give us a month of access again, I feel like I didn't do enough with Fable before it got blocked.

I only realised late that I had an algorithm problem that existing models were struggling with, and Fable had made progress with. It created a 14 phase plan, which I was able to execute with Opus after the restriction.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by solenoid0937 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #278
solenoid0937 wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean what do you expect when covering memory safety topics with a model that's not allowed to cover security topics? This seems totally expected. It'll be the same when 5.6 is released.

> what do you expect I expect the strong cybersecurity model to help me strengthen the cybersecurity of my project. > not allowed to cover security topics They said it wouldn't be usable for offensive purposes. This is the opposite of that.

You don't have the strong cybersecurity model. That is not Fable. It never was, even at release.

The cybersecurity model is Mythos, which was never made publicly available. It is only available to a list of US government approved companies.

> They said it wouldn't be usable for offensive purposes

No, they said Fable would refuse for cybersecurity and offensive purposes. You are conflating Fable with Mythos.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by solenoid0937 »

espeed wrote: post #204
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

The Damage: Now every time Claude does something stupid or trashes your code, developers in the back of their mind will think, is Claude sabotaging me on purpose? [1] Trust is hard to gain. Easy to lose. And harder to get back. Models will converge. Trust won't. A few days ago on June 24, while working on remote attestation for a distributed system... CLAUDE OPUS 4.8 No. I'm not a rogue agent, and I'm not trying to s…

They undid this after the backlash

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by ekidd »

lilytweed wrote: post #279
matheusmoreira wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea. But I will switch to OpenAI if they release their Sol model on a subscription. And if neither of them do, I will switch to GLM 5.2.

This is what I’m thinking, too. OpenAI is gaining a structural advantage purely on the basis of not being considered an enemy of the administration. Anthropic really blew it with Washington.

By "blew it with Washington" you mean "Didn't donate millions to the ballroom."

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by bel8 »

boc wrote: post #245
xmprt wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relatives vs absolutes. America will spend $500B and because of leaky pipes that's effectively 100B going directly to what's needed. China gets a lot of bang for their buck so even if they're spending a fraction of the US, they make it worth their money.

That's true for domestic labor and manufacturing, like shipbuilding, but the bleeding edge chips only come from one place and the US labs get the best while Chinese labs do not (unless they smuggle them). China gets creative, sure, but it can't overcome the fundamental issue that the US labs have more magic rocks that do math faster than their magic rocks. And the current state of the art is to just "do more math".

Nvidia GPUs aren't even the absolute SOTA for LLM inference anymore. Some labs are moving to ASICs and Huawei already have their own custom chips running DeepSeek as we speak.

There's enough money and scale on the line that software affinity like CUDA is no longer the deciding factor and there's margin for custom stacks.

Even more so after the USA GPU exports ban which is proving to have backfired by speeding up China's tech growth.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by SXX »

sroussey wrote: post #272
siva7 wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So fable will jump more often to Opus than it already did on original release? Working with fable felt like having to constantly fight against your work tool. Frustrating. Now they're making it even more frustrating.

Donald Trump named David Sacks the White House AI and crypto czar. I guess you know whom to thank.

Wasnt it Anthropic marketing their models as very very smart and dangerous?

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by felipeerias »

rafram wrote: post #167
SwellJoe wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The good news (for you and most everyone other than the current leading AI companies), the gap between the SOTA and the near-frontiers is getting smaller every week or two. The leading Chinese models are only a few months behind now (GLM 5.2 tickles the tail of GPT 5.3 or 5.4 and Opus 4.6, according to benchmarks and the vibes among heavy users who've spent some time with it), where they were a couple of years behind…

4.6 was released at the beginning of February, so if the Chinese models only "tickle its tail," that means they're >5 months behind.

That comparison is also misleading because Opus 4.6 was probably not Anthropic's frontier model.

We got the first news about Mythos in March, so it is likely that it was already close to ready by the time Opus 4.6 was released.

So the actual gap is the time elapsed between March (or April for the official announcement) and whenever Chinese models can match Mythos.

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