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Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Isn't it completely subjective to the point in time Overton window?

Yes, there's no way to avoid this really. You have to pick some point on the graph as the origin.

I’d argue the entire concept of being “unbiased” is flawed. All humans are biased all of the time, bias towards “the centre” is still a form of bias.

One cannot escape ideology, one merely swaps one ideology for another

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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The political compass always felt like the wrong tool to convey something as nuanced as personal politics, I can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four. I do think Grok being where it is sort of makes sense, I've tested "MAGA" views against Grok, it does not agree as much as people blindly assume it does, heck I don't even know of a question I've given it where it di…

> I've tested "MAGA" views against Grok, it does not agree as much as people blindly assume it does,

Looking from the outside, there are no MAGA views, it's just whatever Trump says. What should be the AI's view on international wars for oil or ego?

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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If you don't cherry pick and instead look at statistics, political violence in the US is dominated by right-wing extremists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_violence_in_the_Unit...

I was responding to specific examples to show how they’re not similar at all. The modern post Jan 6/BLM claim that rightwing violence is more prevalent is precisely the propaganda Mr Musk was referring to — and has been debunked many times. That’s nothing but junk social statistics by an ideologue, as are many social science papers these days. Historical violence isn’t so clear, eg, the 1970s would be the era of left…

> Also, that page you linked to doesn’t directly support your case at all — and indeed, barely cites anything.

Sidebar, he at least cited something. You can’t nitpick sources and examples then provide no serious info of your own.

Either way, none of this disproves anything Grok wrote nor does it disprove that Musk is happy to put his thumb on the scale when it commits wrongthink, so we can just move on knowing Musk does in fact do this and does it openly. No point in our getting bogged down in your tangential arguments.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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The political compass always felt like the wrong tool to convey something as nuanced as personal politics, I can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four. I do think Grok being where it is sort of makes sense, I've tested "MAGA" views against Grok, it does not agree as much as people blindly assume it does, heck I don't even know of a question I've given it where it di…

The concepts (left/right. authoritarian/libertarian) seem to fluid to help sensemaking. Stances that would have been mainstream left (democrat US) just a few years ago are now labeled MAGA (US) or 'extreme right' (EU). And nobody seems to believe their own side is 'authoritarian', but everyone that disagrees with them is a literal ...

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And is life in Europe actually worse than the US as a result? Capitalism has convinced people to think that the end goal of life is creating value. Maybe that isn't the thing society should be optimizing for.

Yes. It is, significantly. More people die every year of heat waves in Europe than gun deaths in the US, and it's not even close. Youth unemployment in many European countries is egregiously high, leading to a sense of malaise and nihilism among the youth. The welfare state is collapsing in on itself and residents are taking that anger out on immigrants across the continent, leading to regressive policies being passe…

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

#287

The political compass always felt like the wrong tool to convey something as nuanced as personal politics, I can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four. I do think Grok being where it is sort of makes sense, I've tested "MAGA" views against Grok, it does not agree as much as people blindly assume it does, heck I don't even know of a question I've given it where it di…

The concepts (left/right. authoritarian/libertarian) seem to fluid to help sensemaking. Stances that would have been mainstream left (democrat US) just a few years ago are now labeled MAGA (US) or 'extreme right' (EU). And nobody seems to believe their own side is 'authoritarian', but everyone that disagrees with them is a literal ...

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Real politics is 1% versus everyone. Mortgage crisis, financial bailout, inflation, taxing of labor and not the assets and assets capture by tiny percent of the population — see what MSM is pushing. This left vs right divide might been useful decades ago, but today is absolutely divide and control tactics

Not really, there are people on the left and the right fighting against the 1% and for the 1%. The left right divid is a simplification yes but it is a very real divide in values and society structure.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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The Democratic Party is a center-right conservative† party by the standards of much of the world. † As distinct from the wildly regressive stated policies of the "conservative" Republicans.

Do you realize how many people live in China, India, Subsaharan Africa? That would be the "standard" of the world population-wise.

They said "much of the world", not "most". What they probably meant was something like "the West" or "global North".

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This is very strange ranking where Putin is "right" compared to Obama - while Russia has universal healthcare and education with huge government involvement into economy.

It's useless to judge left vs right on a global scale because different countries have different standards. For example, supporting universal healthcare does not make you a left winger in the UK. Or, take conservatism for example. It was first used in France, where it meant supporting the monarchy. By that definition, no one in the US is a conservative. Whenever someone tries to create a global definition for left an…

>This has nothing to do with the right. Stalin had the government even more involved in the economy and he wasn't a right winger.

But this is exactly my point, I also can't see what makes Putin "right" in conventional definition.

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