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Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by claykkari »

throw588321 wrote: post #280
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue that Israel is, in fact, behaving worse than South Africa ever did. Apartheid-era South African government was a nightmare, but didn't engage in mass murder (or, uh, "collateral damage") on an Israeli scale. Actually a few orders of magnitude separate them. That slaughter is worse than discrimination should be obvious. If you discriminate against somebody you harm their dignity and you narrow their future p…

South Africa wasn’t at war, and the two situations have nothing in common. Life expectancy in Gaza before Oct 7 was 75.5 years. Life expectancy in South Africa today is 65.5 years. South Africa with its incompetence has done worse than Israel with its “apartheid”.

Fair point, I just wonder if the apartheid emerged because of the war or vice versa? Either way, a society that needs perpetual war to justify apartheid feels unsustainable.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by tonks »

hashstring wrote: post #191

> Between October 7, 2023 and October 7, 2025, at least 20,179 children were killed, around 30% of the overall death toll. > A rebuttal shared by Israel's mission in Geneva said Israel "consistently strives to minimize harm to children even in situations of conflict". Well, it is certainly no question that Israel is killing children en masse. Israeli officials are saying “but we are trying to minimize”. Well, these a…

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by gryzzly »

iJohnDoe wrote: post #79
mentalgear wrote: post #16

This is really sickening - if North Korea or any other less connected country did this, you would quickly see their national (tech) companies being sanctioned by the west. I never understood how a country like Israel, given the history of its own tribe, can themselves become so gruesome and have a hugely state-supported private spy-tech sector that supports the worst autocrates in the world as long as the money flows…

Israel has had a hand up each US politician’s ass since the 1980s. Israel owns all of them.

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by gryzzly »

pvaldes wrote: post #112
tastyface wrote: post #86

See also this This American Life episode, where doctors visiting Gaza saw a disturbing number of children with direct gunshot wounds to the head and chest: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/859/transcript

Had seen a testimony of an European doctor coming from Gaza saying that each week or month the hospitals where flooded with young males coming from the humanitarian food queues with a different gunshoot type. There was the month of the knees, the month of head gunshoots, and the month of the young men flooding the hospitals with their testicles blown off, all because they wanted to pick some food for their families.

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by sebazzz »

jokoon wrote: post #252

Does Israel has the intent of genocide? I don't think so. Does Hamas try to maximize civilian casualties with martyrdom? By meshing its combattants with civilians? Yes. The Geneva convention, unfortunately, allows collateral to a certain extent. Hamas also executed gazans several times. Israel does have a very aggressive strategy, but labeling it a genocide doesn't help the Palestinian cause. Words matter.

Intent is hard to prove if it is not published.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by tonks »

customguy wrote: post #275
tonks wrote: post #241

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Yemen and Sudan aren't doing this with our support, and while wagging their finger at us to better support them in their crimes against humanity. Calling that out at all isn't "only criticizing Israel". That framing suggests wanting the crimes to continue. In that case, from what position would you think you could wag your finger from? It's also not anti-Israel to be pro-human-rights and pro-accountability. Just like…

Wrong again. There are multiple countries involved in the war in Sudan. Saudi Arabia is one of them - the West's closest ally in the Middle East. We supply Saudi Arabia with nearly all its weapons and intel, which they pass it on to their side in Sudan. Oh, I didn't know that actually... Have you actually done any reading? Been to the region?

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by gershy »

pvaldes wrote: post #228
gershy wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm digging into this a bit. Looks like the 114 figure (certainly a conservative number) occurred early in the conflict, in the period of late Oct 2023 until March 2024 - in the same time the hamas health ministry reported ~25000 casualties; the deliberately targeted children account for ~0.4% of all the casualties, and ~1.5% of all child casualties. Enough to say "Israel is deliberately targeting"?

After 20.000 children assasinated, with the necessary support and complicity of Biden and Trump governments, yes. Is more than enough. I have to force myself to read that link until the end. And it says what everybody in Europe has been saying for years, but Israel people still refuses to see. We need to develop technology able to register this events even from a big distance. Even if the phones are forbbiden. And th…

Tragic as it is, 20,000 children can be lost even in a justified war. It looks like historically, retaliatory wars are initially especially aggressive, lethal and indiscriminate (likely due in part to emotional soldiers who desire to punish whoever they are retaliating against). Is Israel conducting a war here that aligns with the historical trend?

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by the_origami_fox »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #279
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue that Israel is, in fact, behaving worse than South Africa ever did. Apartheid-era South African government was a nightmare, but didn't engage in mass murder (or, uh, "collateral damage") on an Israeli scale. Actually a few orders of magnitude separate them. That slaughter is worse than discrimination should be obvious. If you discriminate against somebody you harm their dignity and you narrow their future p…

> I'd argue that Israel is, in fact, behaving worse than South Africa ever did. Nelson Mandela's grandson agrees. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/mandelas-grandson-...

South African here. There is a vast gap between what the elite believe and what the world perceives of South Africa, and what South Africans think.

Most South Africans have a very low interest in Israel-Palestine. Anecdotally, in person Palestinian rally struggle to get more than 100 people.

There are plenty of domestic issues which people care about more. For one, there are 20,000-25,000 murders here per year. Relatively the deaths in Gaza are much higher (it is about 25x smaller), but when people march its for the 127,000 murdered here over the last 5 years, not the 70,000 killed in Gaza.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by henry2023 »

talon8635 wrote: post #204
henry2023 wrote: post #187

“Systematic deliberate targeting of children as policy”. I don’t see why this is controversial. Pro-Palestine people have seen the overwhelming field reports that prove this and Pro-Israel people actually are in favor of targeting these kids because they might grow resentful of Israel and join Hamas.

> Pro-Israel people actually are in favor of targeting these kids because they might grow resentful of Israel and join Hamas. I know many in that camp, and this sounds bananas to me.

Maybe you don’t know them well enough. If you inquiry about the killed children most agree is sad but ultimately they believe it has to be done.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by throwawayb2025 »

Just curious to know what is acceptable proportionate response for:

1. What was done on October 7? Assuming that some kind of response from Israel was acceptable.

2. Against Israel for what Israel is doing now? Assuming that Israel is over reacting.

Maybe if we can come with a framework for what is acceptable, world can force certain behavior.

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