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Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by jalapenoj »

mentalgear wrote: post #16

This is really sickening - if North Korea or any other less connected country did this, you would quickly see their national (tech) companies being sanctioned by the west. I never understood how a country like Israel, given the history of its own tribe, can themselves become so gruesome and have a hugely state-supported private spy-tech sector that supports the worst autocrates in the world as long as the money flows…

Hopefully Israel will have lost American support in a generation or so, who cares what happens to them after that.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

#82

Post by spwa4 »

daft_pink wrote: post #78
cognitiveinline wrote: post #3

Maybe to spark curious conversation, when a world power seems to be supportive of actions that an international body considers negative, what structure can help resolve these? It does seem like UN is unable to really make a dent here.

The UN is really just meant to prevent World War 3 and nuclear war. It has succeeded in this for the last 70 years. The structure of the UN is basically unanimous consensus between the major world powers with each power getting a veto. There is no unanimous consensus on this issue at all.

Did it? Because this was also always the argument for the "League of Nations" that came before it. If you read 1930s newspapers that's what they give as a reason for the organization's existence ...

Now after WW2, consensus is that the League of Nations may have outright caused WW2, and certainly contributed more than any other individual factor. The League of Nations was the embodiment of the treaty of Versailles. As if that wasn't bad enough, the League of Nations was also the league of nations that stopped most reactions against Hitler immediately before the war.

I'm not even going to bother drawing the obvious parallel with how the UN is treating nuclear powers, and people defending themselves against attacks by a nuclear (or trying-to-be-nuclear) power.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by spwa4 »

HeavyStorm wrote: post #62
cognitiveinline wrote: post #3

Maybe to spark curious conversation, when a world power seems to be supportive of actions that an international body considers negative, what structure can help resolve these? It does seem like UN is unable to really make a dent here.

If the latest Gaza war taught us anything, is that UN is powerless. And, unfortunately, it is the highest entity that could apply leverage here, so... Not much we can do. In the long term I hope other nations realize they are very vulnerable and begin to invest more in defense, but that escalation can have other downsides.

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by thrance »

jalapenoj wrote: post #81
mentalgear wrote: post #16

This is really sickening - if North Korea or any other less connected country did this, you would quickly see their national (tech) companies being sanctioned by the west. I never understood how a country like Israel, given the history of its own tribe, can themselves become so gruesome and have a hugely state-supported private spy-tech sector that supports the worst autocrates in the world as long as the money flows…

Hopefully Israel will have lost American support in a generation or so, who cares what happens to them after that.

Well, you should still care. They have nukes and have promised to use them were Tel Aviv to fall.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by Protostome »

eagleal wrote: post #80
Protostome wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that every militia and army use hospitals as a base from which to wage war? (e.g. firing rockets, artillery shells, etc)

Units will use any reinforced or cover position to carry their objective. Even roofs of civilians apartments, let alone reinforced structures such as hospitals, town halls, schools, etc if they can't use alternatives. Even antique frontal wars used terrain to their advantage. That's why we wrote rules of engagement, but if the bigger powers themselves abuse them, how can you expect militias that have to carry guerril…

Well, every choice has a consequence. For Israel the choice was accept rockets fired on Israeli towns on a regular basis(not settlements, btw, just towns within the 1948 UN recognized borders of Israel) or respond.

BTW, The response came after texting the residents, distributing leaflets and annoncening in every way possible that the place is going to be bombed.

BTW (2), For years Israel avoided bombing dense residential areas, despite knowing the origin of those rockets.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by daft_pink »

spwa4 wrote: post #82
daft_pink wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UN is really just meant to prevent World War 3 and nuclear war. It has succeeded in this for the last 70 years. The structure of the UN is basically unanimous consensus between the major world powers with each power getting a veto. There is no unanimous consensus on this issue at all.

Did it? Because this was also always the argument for the "League of Nations" that came before it. If you read 1930s newspapers that's what they give as a reason for the organization's existence ... Now after WW2, consensus is that the League of Nations may have outright caused WW2, and certainly contributed more than any other individual factor. The League of Nations was the embodiment of the treaty of Versailles. A…

It did because world war 3 hasn’t happened and it’s been about 80 years vs the short time between world war 2 and world war 1.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by throwaway9917 »

Protostome wrote: post #58
n4r9 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ICJ is legally and structurally independent of the UN. What specifically do you disagree with about the advisory opinion?

"The International Court of Justice (ICJ; French: Cour internationale de justice, CIJ), or colloquially the World Court, is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN)" "The Court is composed of a panel of 15 judges elected by the UN General Assembly and Security Council for nine-year terms" Literally, from the first few paragraphs of wikipedia. People don't read these days. If the UN general assembly (mo…

I've often heard defenders of Israel crap on the UN General Assembly like it's some woke antifa type organization, but it's one representative per country, chosen by the country's government. If almost every country in the world is constantly officially condemning you, perhaps they are not the problem.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by the_origami_fox »

the_origami_fox wrote: post #66
the_origami_fox wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flagged and off the home page. Now at 106 points.

After another half hour it is at 134 points despite being flagged.

It's taken another 5 hours to reach 201 points, despite being flagged and removed from the home page at around 100 points.

It is no longer flagged.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by throw358643 »

throwaway9917 wrote: post #88
Protostome wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The International Court of Justice (ICJ; French: Cour internationale de justice, CIJ), or colloquially the World Court, is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN)" "The Court is composed of a panel of 15 judges elected by the UN General Assembly and Security Council for nine-year terms" Literally, from the first few paragraphs of wikipedia. People don't read these days. If the UN general assembly (mo…

I've often heard defenders of Israel crap on the UN General Assembly like it's some woke antifa type organization, but it's one representative per country, chosen by the country's government. If almost every country in the world is constantly officially condemning you, perhaps they are not the problem.

It’s disingenuous to pretend that the Middle East conflict does not align people according to tribal, religious, and political groupings, as well as international alliances.

Given that Jews are 0.2% of the world’s population, in contrast to a very large population of people openly biased against Israel, it’s no surprise that when you take a global popular vote that Jews will lose. The UN is not a neutral institution.

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