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Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by Antibabelic »

customguy wrote: post #255
Antibabelic wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some problems don't have solutions.

This one does though. These issues are solely created by humans, so of course humans can solve them, that's not even a question. People who care need to keep speaking up and reaching out to each other, get together; and by doing so expose the people who don't care, or actively are against the general welfare of humans, like rocks on the beach when the tide recedes. It takes so much work, so much criminal energy, so m…

People getting to know each and working together to genocide another group of people that's slightly different from them does indeed have many precedents in history.

The problem with your idea is that you see "humans" as some kind of abstract unified whole. People care about their peers far more than they do about "humans" in the abstract. When you're a powerful venture capitalist, these peers are other venture capitalists for example. Some call this "class consciousness".

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Post by eleveriven »

RobotToaster wrote: post #200

Abraham Lincoln was the 16th president of the United States of America. He was best known for being “Honest Abe”, writing the Emancipation Proclamation, and playing RAID: Shadow Legends, an immersive online experience with everything you’d expect from a brand new RPG title. It’s got an amazing storyline, awesome 3D graphics, giant boss fights, PVP battles, and hundreds of never before seen champions to collect and cu…

This is funny, but also exactly why ads in a conversational assistant feel different from ads in search

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by tencentshill »

destring wrote: post #278
torben-friis wrote: post #62

These are the less worrying kind of ads in our future. Seeing how google has been fighting SEO for ages, what's going to happen when companies figure out how to inject ads into the model? We haven't yet seen the problem of adversarial content in play, I think.

It is already happening. Generative Engine Optimization.

They spam HN with their slop-coded tools and websites.

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Post by tencentshill »

rrgok wrote: post #212

Imagine people like Sam Altman having access to frontier models without any restrictions that allows them plot strategies to reach their goal in a long term timespan that you don't even realize when it even began. That's scary. They could fight for censored model for the mass, not for them.

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Post by danparsonson »

the_other wrote: post #251
danparsonson wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to split hairs but I posit there is a difference because 'how I want you to think about things' could be a mixture of lies, truths, and half-truths. 'Lying', to me, implies some relationship with reality - I'm lying if I know there's no orange in my bag but I tell you that there is. What we're talking about is someone who might not know or care whether the orange or even the bag exists at all, and is jus…

I don't think you're making a useful point about the situation. In the case of the orange in the bag, both Altman and his interlocutor can see the bag and the truth can be exposed by rummaging. In the case of ads in the oAI chat feed, at the time Altman made the comment he was probably planning to puts ads in the feed. But there might not even be emails about this, just conversation. And the engineers might not solve…

Yes - that specific point was not about this situation but a pattern of behaviour.

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Post by lukewarm707 »

wyre wrote: post #23
hansvm wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a library of good tools for LLMs to call? I have to imagine the bot-detection avoidance mechanisms are a major engineering effort and not likely to work out of the box with a simple harness and random local LLM.

Tavily, Exa, Firecrawl, Perplexity, and Linkup are all tools for agents to search the web. I’ve been building a harness the past few months and supports them all out of the box with an API key.

be warned though:

firecrawl: "if you post content or intellectual property within the Services or give us Feedback about the Services, you hereby grant to us a worldwide, irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to use, reproduce, modify, publish, translate and distribute any content that you submit in any form [...] You also grant to us the right to sub-license these rights"

exa: "Query Data is used to improve our products and technology, including by training and fine-tuning models that power our Services"

perplexity: "Perplexity may retain, copy, distribute and otherwise use Search Data for its lawful business purposes, including the improvement and development of products and services."

linkup: "Client grants Linkup a worldwide right to use, reproduce and modify the Client Data, including prompts, for the purposes of providing, maintaining, developing, training"

tavily: "we may use certain portions of your query data to improve our responses to future queries"..."We may share your query data with third-party search index providers (e.g., Google)"

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Post by glitchc »

danparsonson wrote: post #170
programjames wrote: post #68

Less than two years ago, Sam Altman said > I kind of think of ads as a last resort for us for a business model. I would do it if it meant that was the only way to get everybody in the world access to great services, but if we can find something that doesn't do that, I'd prefer that. So, is this OpenAI announcing they're strapped for cash?

No, I suspect that "I kind of think of ads as a last resort" was doublespeak for "ads are coming eventually". I would tend to think of someone like him as a person who uses words to achieve a specific goal, rather than someone who speaks whatever is truly on their mind. Whether those words are lies or truth or somewhere in between is irrelevant; what matters to them is the outcome. It's likely a waste of time trying…

> I would tend to think of someone like him as a person who uses words to achieve a specific goal, rather than someone who speaks whatever is truly on their mind. Whether those words are lies or truth or somewhere in between is irrelevant; what matters to them is the outcome.

I wouldn't put Sam on some kind of pedestal, everyone seems to talk this way nowadays.

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Post by Aurornis »

pbasista wrote: post #261
Aurornis wrote: post #37

The ads are in the free tier and the new ad-supported $8/month plan. Every time this comes up there are comments assuming that ads are being injected into the normal plans, but these are for the free tier and the new Go plan which warns you that it includes ads when you sign up.

> Every time this comes up there are comments assuming that ads are being injected into the normal plans No. The distinction between the unpaid vs. cheap vs. expensive plans is irrelevant here. The main controversial point about this topic is to include ads in the output of an LLM-backed AI tool responses. It does not matter at all in which tier it occurs. The discussion is about the fact that it occurs in the first…

> The main controversial point about this topic is to include ads in the output of an LLM-backed AI tool responses.

Except the article very clearly explains that the ads are separate from the AI responses.

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Post by csa »

torben-friis wrote: post #62

These are the less worrying kind of ads in our future. Seeing how google has been fighting SEO for ages, what's going to happen when companies figure out how to inject ads into the model? We haven't yet seen the problem of adversarial content in play, I think.

> what's going to happen when companies figure out how to inject ads into the model?

In certain domains, this has already happened.

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Post by WD-42 »

TZubiri wrote: post #52
WD-42 wrote: post #10

Since they are served as distinct events then I would think they should be easy to block. Once the ads are injected directly into the main response is when things get interesting.

Blocking transparent ads is not a good idea. The consequence is that you will be fed opaque ads.

I’m not obligated to look at or listen to anything on my own devices, much less in my own home.
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