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Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by ponector »

RobotToaster wrote: post #200

Abraham Lincoln was the 16th president of the United States of America. He was best known for being “Honest Abe”, writing the Emancipation Proclamation, and playing RAID: Shadow Legends, an immersive online experience with everything you’d expect from a brand new RPG title. It’s got an amazing storyline, awesome 3D graphics, giant boss fights, PVP battles, and hundreds of never before seen champions to collect and cu…

I bet he also drunk a refreshing Coca-Cola beverage during his gaming sessions.

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Post by rrgok »

Imagine people like Sam Altman having access to frontier models without any restrictions that allows them plot strategies to reach their goal in a long term timespan that you don't even realize when it even began.

That's scary. They could fight for censored model for the mass, not for them.

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Post by b3lvedere »

zarzavat wrote: post #181
nine_k wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The revenue from highly targeted ads, using even better profiles than Google Search or even Facebook could build, may be non-negligible. Commercial ads could be a smaller revenue source than political ads.

Political ads would destroy the value proposition. That would be an incredibly short-sighted move. Chats with LLMs are often intensely personal, you don't want to create the perception that politicians have any level of access to it.

"That would be an incredibly short-sighted move."

Yes, but it has not stopped several companies to implement stuff like this to get more money.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by danparsonson »

3form wrote: post #193
danparsonson wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I suspect that "I kind of think of ads as a last resort" was doublespeak for "ads are coming eventually". I would tend to think of someone like him as a person who uses words to achieve a specific goal, rather than someone who speaks whatever is truly on their mind. Whether those words are lies or truth or somewhere in between is irrelevant; what matters to them is the outcome. It's likely a waste of time trying…

I think doublespeak is more along the lines of calling ads a "product recommendation strategy". This was either a) a plain lie b) they're actually at their last resort.

> This was either a) a plain lie b) they're actually at their last resort.

That's thinking like a normal honest human :-) My point is that it was likely not a statement about reality (true or false) at all, but rather a phrase designed to elicit some response in the listener, such as the idea: 'Sam Altman isn't the kind of CEO who would put ads in his products unless he really had to'.

He's not describing how things are, but how he wants you to think about them.

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Post by b3lvedere »

ponector wrote: post #211
RobotToaster wrote: post #200

Abraham Lincoln was the 16th president of the United States of America. He was best known for being “Honest Abe”, writing the Emancipation Proclamation, and playing RAID: Shadow Legends, an immersive online experience with everything you’d expect from a brand new RPG title. It’s got an amazing storyline, awesome 3D graphics, giant boss fights, PVP battles, and hundreds of never before seen champions to collect and cu…

I bet he also drunk a refreshing Coca-Cola beverage during his gaming sessions.

That was an awesome laugh. Thanks. :)

He was also the first president ever to use NordVPN. Apply now for a super duper discount at nordvpn.com/honestabe

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by danparsonson »

bambax wrote: post #197
danparsonson wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I suspect that "I kind of think of ads as a last resort" was doublespeak for "ads are coming eventually". I would tend to think of someone like him as a person who uses words to achieve a specific goal, rather than someone who speaks whatever is truly on their mind. Whether those words are lies or truth or somewhere in between is irrelevant; what matters to them is the outcome. It's likely a waste of time trying…

> "But Sam Altman said..." to me has about as much value as "ChatGPT told me...". Or Trump. Same profile. There is something to be admired in this kind of people. They are not bound by their own words. It simply doesn't matter to them what they said a month ago, or a minute ago. Their words are attached to the instant they are pronounced; they don't concern the future, or the past. They die immediately after they hav…

For certain values of 'admired'... It is impressive, in a diabolical way, and seems to be very effective.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by mafuy »

chrisweekly wrote: post #90
saghm wrote: post #70

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Even if it wasn't necessary for their survival, it's hard to imagine a world where they wouldn't try to do it anyways. I'm not someone who buys into the idea that companies are obligated to maximize profits at the expense of all else, but I do think that in the absence of other factors (e.g. regulation) it's where pretty much every company will end up.

"the idea that companies are obligated to maximize profits at the expense of all else" !! That is literally the definition of legally-binding fiduciary resonsibility for publicly-traded corporations. There are exceptions (PBCs, B-Corps) but they're rare.

This is a completely stupid take and I have no idea why so many people repeat it. This responsibility just means you have to have to document your work understandably and have a somewhat sensible reason for decisions. It does not at all force you to greed.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by pickleRick243 »

tossandthrow wrote: post #183
agentbc9000 wrote: post #174

Google was built on ads and it wasn't bad for them, its no some tabu forbiden word or business model- as a power users its not for us, but for my mom - it will work

Adds should be a tabu word and business model. It takes people's attention, makes people fat and anxious and generally makes the world a worse place. Everybody using adds as a part of their business model should feel bad. As an extention of this there is no moral issues with using add blockers, despite what the businesses living of adds try to tell you.

I agree. Also, Linkedin and CV's shouldn't exist. Self-promotion is gauche.

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Post by navigate8310 »

ponector wrote: post #211
RobotToaster wrote: post #200

Abraham Lincoln was the 16th president of the United States of America. He was best known for being “Honest Abe”, writing the Emancipation Proclamation, and playing RAID: Shadow Legends, an immersive online experience with everything you’d expect from a brand new RPG title. It’s got an amazing storyline, awesome 3D graphics, giant boss fights, PVP battles, and hundreds of never before seen champions to collect and cu…

I bet he also drunk a refreshing Coca-Cola beverage during his gaming sessions.

Maybe a RedBull for all the dares he took to run the first government.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by 3form »

danparsonson wrote: post #214
3form wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think doublespeak is more along the lines of calling ads a "product recommendation strategy". This was either a) a plain lie b) they're actually at their last resort.

> This was either a) a plain lie b) they're actually at their last resort. That's thinking like a normal honest human :-) My point is that it was likely not a statement about reality (true or false) at all, but rather a phrase designed to elicit some response in the listener, such as the idea: 'Sam Altman isn't the kind of CEO who would put ads in his products unless he really had to'. He's not describing how things…

I agree with your point. Mine was about the word doublespeak for this, which I think it's not - it's a lie in effect, but I think it is something like what you say, for which I don't know a term of. A bunch of sentences that are said in a complete disregard for truths and untruths; instead they are supposed to get you to believe something.

This also kinda fits the profile of Altman that I'm getting from what I have seen - admittedly without looking in-depth. A person who is on surface a pathological liar, but in fact in a closer look he just says things. They just _happen_ to be complete lies, because that's what you need to do to achieve the goal in the set of circumstances. It's just that because it's as morally objectionable as outright lying, some people would pause and think before doing it, while he seems to just have no qualms at all.

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