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Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by Frannky »

Claude Code with Opus and the Max plan is fine for me, even though I'm not super happy about moments when it's not available, the costs, account banning, etc.

Anyway, what I am looking for and am curious about is if there is a solution that I am overlooking that will work the same, or almost the same or better, but at a cheaper price.

I read about people being happy about pi.dev and OpenCode. I tried OpenCode with Mimo V2 pro and it is pretty good. I previously used Qwen CLI before they stopped the free usage, and Gemini CLI. I also used Z.ai with OpenCode.

I read about people using Opus for planning and then for non-important stuff moving the agent to use a further cheaper model. I am not into usage-based pricing unless it will be cheaper nonetheless (I doubt it though).

Do you have some cool setups to share? I usually do Python for backend and TypeScript frontend. Host on Hetzner, use mostly Docker but also k3s if required.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by athrowaway3z »

extr wrote: post #273
steipete wrote: post #269

Peter here from OpenClaw. For context, here’s why our post reads the way it does: Boris from Claude Code said publicly on Twitter that CLI-style usage is allowed. We took that seriously and invested time building around that guidance. I even changed the defaults, so when using the cli we're automatially disabling features that use excessive tokens like the heartbeat feature. But in practice, Anthropic still blocks pa…

I mean surely you can understand the the difficulty of their position, right? It's as if Waymo offered a subsidized, subscription based plan that models a certain type of ridership as typical but then people start scheduling rides on a timer with no one in it, far outside the original use case of "Get me from point A to point B". And of course the line between what is acceptable is quite fuzzy. You could imagine it b…

I think HN needs a regular reminder that most things sold are commodities -without limits or re-use. Coal and wheat have no DRMs.

This kind of thing is the exception. Subsidized subscriptions work to distort the power of the market. The more successful they are (in destroying competition), the worse it leaves consumers.

While i get the individual steps that leads them to this "difficult position", I think i'll just keep telling everybody to cancel their sub and make sure to not get locked in.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by ghm2180 »

ryanshrott wrote: post #280

The underlying issue here is that OAuth credential reuse is different from API key scraping, and Anthropic hasn't really made that distinction clear. CLI-style usage that respects rate limits and uses official libraries is, architecturally, the same thing Max subscribers do in the web app, same auth, same endpoints. The problem isn't the use case. It's that companies get nervous about anything that looks like it coul…

yeah rate limits are the way to go. I don't see how this is not really simple: A human can only type or tts the text in and read responses only so fast, anthropic can use this as a baseline. They can create a client that can back off(rate limit) and wait, like for something like when a user says something like "spawn 10 processes with claude -p to do X" this client can calculate the rate limit and place an event in a queue and developers can use this client's rate-limit and build workflows around it: e.g. a client queue that has a timer event that expires the rate limit that was set can wake up a daemon. There are a million ways to implement the queue daemon thingy, its just software at that point.

Since the subscription is hard linked to an OAuth token this should be easy to track too. What am i missing?

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by ghm2180 »

steipete wrote: post #269

Peter here from OpenClaw. For context, here’s why our post reads the way it does: Boris from Claude Code said publicly on Twitter that CLI-style usage is allowed. We took that seriously and invested time building around that guidance. I even changed the defaults, so when using the cli we're automatially disabling features that use excessive tokens like the heartbeat feature. But in practice, Anthropic still blocks pa…

I've commented elsewhere about just having simple rate limits tied to oauth tokens. This should not be that hard.

There is one simple policy: Subscriptions are for use on human scale of comprehension. API Keys are for everything else.

Anthropic can have a machine/bot get rate limited and people can build workflows using `claude -p` or something even better (like an SDK) , all the while using their OAuth tokens for max/pro.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by dmohl0 »

steipete wrote: post #269

Peter here from OpenClaw. For context, here’s why our post reads the way it does: Boris from Claude Code said publicly on Twitter that CLI-style usage is allowed. We took that seriously and invested time building around that guidance. I even changed the defaults, so when using the cli we're automatially disabling features that use excessive tokens like the heartbeat feature. But in practice, Anthropic still blocks pa…

Claude CLI has a server mode - am I missing something here, or could we all just claude --server and let openclaw use claude via a2a?

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by doginasuit »

LatencyKills wrote: post #205
doginasuit wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it a little bizarre that people have this expectation. You can still pay for compute and use it the way you want by paying for the product you actually want to use. Subscription products like this are not marketed or intended to be used as access to the API, but they also offer access to the API if that's what you want. I'm still not entirely clear why people insist on using their subscription like this, so le…

> I find it a little bizarre that people have this expectation. Well, enough people complained that Anthropic reversed their stance. Additionally, their primary competitor doesn't have any compute restrictions, which should help clarify why this decision was made. As someone who has been building ML/AI tools (@ MS & Apple) for almost 25 years, I can say that much of the value of the underlying model comes from the ha…

I'm inclined to agree for that price. Is there something the 200/month subscription gets you that the API doesn't? I still don't know why creating an API key and loading it up with $200 every month is an unfavorable option. Do you expect it would cost more? You might even end up paying less, especially if you can find ways to make it more efficient given that you are using a bespoke harness. I still feel like I'm missing something. If the API costs a lot more for the same amount of usage, that would make sense to me, but that has never been my experience. But I don't have experience with the Anthropic API.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by extr »

athrowaway3z wrote: post #283
extr wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean surely you can understand the the difficulty of their position, right? It's as if Waymo offered a subsidized, subscription based plan that models a certain type of ridership as typical but then people start scheduling rides on a timer with no one in it, far outside the original use case of "Get me from point A to point B". And of course the line between what is acceptable is quite fuzzy. You could imagine it b…

I think HN needs a regular reminder that most things sold are commodities -without limits or re-use. Coal and wheat have no DRMs. This kind of thing is the exception. Subsidized subscriptions work to distort the power of the market. The more successful they are (in destroying competition), the worse it leaves consumers. While i get the individual steps that leads them to this "difficult position", I think i'll just k…

> Most things are sold as commodities without limits or re-use.

This is somehow doubly wrong. Not only are most economic goods NOT commodities, there are plenty of economic analogs to AI subscriptions (streaming, telecom, gyms, buffets) and none of them operate as "unlimited with no restrictions on re-use". Really just terribly misinformed way of thinking here.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by nitroedge »

mondojesus wrote: post #36
dhoe wrote: post #29

I didn't even use openclaw and Anthropic disabled my account without explanation beyond "suspicious signals". If anyone found a way to get out of that, I'd be curious to hear it - genuinely no idea what I did wrong, and the Google docs form I filled out to appeal never got me any reply.

Same thing happened to me in January. Never heard back from them after submitting the google form. A few weeks ago I went through the subscription flow again and the 'account disabled' message was no longer there. Didn't go through with the payment so it's possible I would have been blocked at that point but it looked like my account had been re-enabled. I think you just have to play the waiting game unfortunately.

why not re-apply with just a new email account instead of using the old email they banned?
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