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Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by benjx88 »

dmazin wrote: post #7

I got sick of the inconsistency caused by Anthropic tinkering with Claude Code and had canceled my 20x. My plan was to switch to Codex so I could use it in Pi. I am specifically talking about switching because of the harness, not model quality. Anyone else match my experience? I wonder how many other people recently did the same. It would be prudent of Anthropic to let people use Pro/Max OAuth tokens with other harne…

Because the Harness is the Moat and key IP not the Models themselves that is the why! now for both OpenAI and Anthropic with all their money raised and the compute they acquire and have in the books of course no one can easily replicate, whom can afford all those datacenters and Nvidia GPUs interconnected is why OpenAI throws you a bone and gives you an Open Source SDK Harness but not the one they actually use for ChatGPT. But now both of them have to deliver and do all the bull-shet they said this models can do... truth is they cannot. So now the bubbles burst and we will see what happens. We all have to buy iPhones or MacBooks so that makes sense, we all use Chrome or Google Search, Instagram, TikTok.

All these models and agents are shortcuts for all of us to be lazy and play games and watch YouTube or Netflix because we use them to work-less, well the party will be over soon.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by gbalduzzi »

Scotchy wrote: post #12
redrove wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been using Codex Pro since they lobotomized Opus 4.6. Codex is so much better, GPT 5.4 xhigh fast is definitely the smartest and fastest model available. For a while there I had both Opus 4.6 and Codex access and I frequently pitted them against each other, I never once saw Opus come out ahead. Opus was good as a reviewer though, but as an implementer it just felt lazy compared to 5.4 xhigh. One feature that I h…

Any alternative to Claude Design ? Tried Figma with Opus 4.6 but it doesn't come close in my experience. Codex is abysmal for UI design imo.

I created some decent prototypes with stitch but I don't know how it compares to claude design

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by serial_dev »

dmazin wrote: post #7

I got sick of the inconsistency caused by Anthropic tinkering with Claude Code and had canceled my 20x. My plan was to switch to Codex so I could use it in Pi. I am specifically talking about switching because of the harness, not model quality. Anyone else match my experience? I wonder how many other people recently did the same. It would be prudent of Anthropic to let people use Pro/Max OAuth tokens with other harne…

My experience is the opposite of this thread's consensus. Context: Full time SWE, working on large and messy codebase. Not working on crazy automations, working on fixing bugs, troubleshooting crashes, implementing features.

Anthropic models write much better code, they are easy to follow, reasonable and very close to what I would done if I had the time... OpenAI's on the other hand generate extremely complex solutions to the simplest problems.

I was so disappointed by non-Anthropic models, that for a couple of weeks I only used Anthropic models, but based on this thread, I'll go back and give it another try. It's good to go back and try things again every couple of weeks.

Of course, I was annoyed that they lobotomized 4.6, the difference was day and night, and Anthropic is certainly not a company I trust. In my opinion, it shows their willingness to rugpull, so I'm looking at other approaches. Since 4.7, things went back to normal, things you'd expect to work just work.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by hboon »

dmazin wrote: post #7

I got sick of the inconsistency caused by Anthropic tinkering with Claude Code and had canceled my 20x. My plan was to switch to Codex so I could use it in Pi. I am specifically talking about switching because of the harness, not model quality. Anyone else match my experience? I wonder how many other people recently did the same. It would be prudent of Anthropic to let people use Pro/Max OAuth tokens with other harne…

I switched to Droid+Opus (with Claude Max) many months ago and it was my favorite combo.

Had to stop because they don't like us proxying requests anymore.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by tommica »

hboon wrote: post #11
tommica wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left anthropic a while ago because of the similar shenanigans they had earlier. I went with opencode & zen. I still have their subscription, but am using pi now, mainly because something happened that made my opencode sessions unusable (cannot continue them, just blanks out, I assume something in the sqlite is fucked), and I cannot be bothered to debug it. For what I use the agents, the Chinese models are enough

Doesn't using pi be against their terms of use about having to go through Claude Code cli for all Max plan usage? (I had use Droid with Max previously, it was a great combo).

Probably - it was that kind of confusion that resulted in me switching providers.

Plus I like being able to switch a model.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by eterm »

darylteo wrote: post #14

Correction: OpenClaw says Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is okay again.

And then recommends to use an API key, which as far as I know was never restricted, it was trying to use the subscription that was prohibited/limited.

I'm confused by the comments being full of people swearing off Claude, feels like real HN bubble stuff.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by Alifatisk »

> Anthropic staff told us OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

Anthropic staff have had contradictive statements in Twitter and have corrected each other. Their intent for clarifications lead to confusion.

> OpenClaw treats Claude CLI reuse and claude -p usage as sanctioned for this integration unless Anthropic publishes a new policy.

Oh cool, so everything is back to business now, until they all or sudden update their policy tomorrow that retracts everything.

Anthropic have proved themselves to be be unreliable when it comes to CC. Switching to other providers is the best way to go, if you want to keep your insanity.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by dhoe »

I didn't even use openclaw and Anthropic disabled my account without explanation beyond "suspicious signals". If anyone found a way to get out of that, I'd be curious to hear it - genuinely no idea what I did wrong, and the Google docs form I filled out to appeal never got me any reply.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by uvu »

dmazin wrote: post #7

I got sick of the inconsistency caused by Anthropic tinkering with Claude Code and had canceled my 20x. My plan was to switch to Codex so I could use it in Pi. I am specifically talking about switching because of the harness, not model quality. Anyone else match my experience? I wonder how many other people recently did the same. It would be prudent of Anthropic to let people use Pro/Max OAuth tokens with other harne…

Same, I am from 5x plan and cancel and switched to codex as I want to use Pi.
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