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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by speed_spread »

kps wrote: post #255
niemandhier wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gather evidence against employees, use that evidence to put them under pressure to testify against their employer or grant access to evidence. Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. That was legal. Guess what, similar things would be legal in France. We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Western liberal democracies just rarely use it.…

> We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Elon has ICBMs, but France has warheads.

France has Ariane, which was good enough to send Jame Web Telescope to some Lagrange point with extra precision. It's all fun and and games until the French finish their cigarette, arms French Guyana and fire ze missiles.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by chihuahua »

alex1138 wrote: post #257
tomlockwood wrote: post #215

Elon's in the files asking Epstein about "wild parties" and then doesn't seem to care about all this. Easy to draw a conclusion here.

Elon is literally in the files, talking about going to the island. It's documented

He was only going to the island to get rid of bots on Twitter. Just like OJ spent the rest of his life looking for the real killer.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by int_19h »

malfist wrote: post #280
nebula8804 wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read somewhere that Musk (or maybe Theil) companies have processes in place to quickly offload data from a location to other jurisdictions (and destroy the local data) when they detect a raid happening. Don't know how true it is though. The only insight I have into their operations was the amazing speed by which people are badged in and out of his various gigafactories. It "appears" that they developed custom badgi…

That is very much illegal in the US

It wouldn't be the first time a Musk company knowingly does something illegal.

I think as far as Musk is concerned, laws only apply in the "don't get caught" sense.

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Post by alex1138 »

chihuahua wrote: post #282
alex1138 wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon is literally in the files, talking about going to the island. It's documented

He was only going to the island to get rid of bots on Twitter. Just like OJ spent the rest of his life looking for the real killer.

It's timestamped like 2013, I think. Years before he bought Twitter (yes, I know you're joking)

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Post by fluoridation »

IOT_Apprentice wrote: post #272
q3k wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no tool, technological or legal, to block/ban a website EU-wide.

They will set their DNS servers to drop all incoming connections to X. That can be done in each country. They can use Deep Packet inspection tools and go from there. If the decision is EU wide then they will roll that out.

Deep packet inspection? What do you mean? Are you talking about domain name confiscation or building a Great Firewall of EU?

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Post by int_19h »

why_at wrote: post #207
verdverm wrote: post #123

France24 article on this: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20260203-paris-prosecutor... lol, they summoned Elon for a hearing on 420 "Summons for voluntary interviews on April 20, 2026, in Paris have been sent to Mr. Elon Musk and Ms. Linda Yaccarino, in their capacity as de facto and de jure managers of the X platform at the time of the events,

>The Paris prosecutor's office said it launched the investigation after being contacted by a lawmaker alleging that biased algorithms in X were likely to have distorted the operation of an automated data processing system. I'm not at all familiar with French law, and I don't have any sympathy for Elon Musk or X. That said, is this a crime? Distorted the operation how? By making their chatbot more likely to say stupid…

Holocaust denial is illegal in France, for one, and Grok did exactly that on several occasions.

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Post by amelius »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #192
ronsor wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These days many tech company offices have a "panic button" for raids that will erase data. Uber is perhaps the most notorious example.

This is a perfect way for the legal head of the company in-country to visit some jails. They will explain that it was done remotely and whatnot but then the company will be closed in the country. Whether this matters for the mothership is another story.

Of course they will not lock the data but hide it, and put some redacted or otherwise innocent files in their place.

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Post by jimbo808 »

stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

It sounds better in the news when you do a raid. These things are generally not done for any purpose other than to communicate a message and score political points.

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Post by rvnx »

int_19h wrote: post #283
malfist wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is very much illegal in the US

It wouldn't be the first time a Musk company knowingly does something illegal. I think as far as Musk is concerned, laws only apply in the "don't get caught" sense.

give any country a gift / investment of 100B USD

-> crimes ? what crimes ?

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Post by trcarney »

Bender wrote: post #95
SilverElfin wrote: post #93

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In my opinion I think the reason they raided the offices for CSAM would be there are laws on the books for CSAM and not for social manipulation. If people could be jailed for manipulation there would be no social media platforms, lobbyists, political campaign groups or advertisements. People are already being manipulated by AI. On a related note given AI is just a tool and requires someone to tell it to make CSAM I t…

hold on, are you saying that you should be able to be jailed for manipulation? Where would that end? could i be jailed if i post a review for a restaurant if you feel it manipulated you? or anyone stating an opinion could be construed as manipulation. that is beyond a slippery slope, that is an authoritarian nightmare.
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