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Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by digiown »

riffraff wrote: post #50
bitshiftfaced wrote: post #21

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"Social media" doesn't just mean Facebook right? It includes sites like Hacker News, yeah?

the approach australia took is a list of prohibited applications. It's not "fair" to a technically minded person, but it's a practical alternative, even if it would obviously lead to a whack-a-mole situation.

It works better here than most other types of blacklists, since networks take time to build up, and the "value" of social media is mostly derived from the fact that you can use it to interact with other people, not the software itself.

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Post by t-3 »

baq wrote: post #192
whatever1 wrote: post #132

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Hackernews is also addictive. Fortnine is addictive. World of Warcraft is addictive. NFL is addictive. Addiction does not strike to me as a unique trait of the social media. The echo chamber bubble on the other hand, seems quite unique.

HN doesn’t optimize for addictive . Fortnite and wow do. No opinion on NFL, but they probably do at least somewhat.

Karma and thread-ranking are adaptations that directly increase addictiveness while doing little else...

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Post by YuukiRey »

eimrine wrote: post #185
whatever1 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hackernews is also addictive. Fortnine is addictive. World of Warcraft is addictive. NFL is addictive. Addiction does not strike to me as a unique trait of the social media. The echo chamber bubble on the other hand, seems quite unique.

> Hackernews is also addictive. False. It is good, no more addictive than a spoon.

A spoon has no randomization.

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Post by peyton »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #261
embedding-shape wrote: post #258

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> give subreddit moderators a fighting chance Moderators are part of the problem really, there are a handful of moderators holding the reins over all the popular subreddits, and "smaller" (even big ones) subreddits suffer from the same problem. As an example, r/MistralAI, r/LocalLLaMA, r/ChatGPT, r/OpenAI and r/grok are all run by the same person. The only survivable places on reddit left are the subreddits with smal…

> But they're so few. Given how many subreddits there, I have to ask if you have statistics to back up this claim. My intuition is that people have problems with a bunch of popular subreddits, but the vast majority of subreddits are just fine. I have no statistics to back up this intuition. Do you?

There’s a whole vibrant industry of people you can pay to market whatever you want on Reddit. They can’t all be competing for the same few popular subreddits. They must be differentiated by targeting niche subreddits.

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Post by crooked-v »

SauntSolaire wrote: post #221
alexjplant wrote: post #210

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Reddit has been a cesspit of recycled pablum, populist image macros and low effort reply comments for more than a decade. Enthusiast subreddits are astroturfed to hell and back by people with a Shopify storefront and a dream trying to growth hack their way to a hockey stick. The low barrier to entry to each community means that this vapid culture eventually diffuses itself across subreddits that might otherwise be go…

Agreed. I wish they would consider charging a small fee (~$1) to create an account. That alone would cut down on all the AI spam and give subreddit moderators a fighting chance.

Something Awful has retained a weirdly high level of quality these days by (still) charging :tenbux: to register an account.

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Post by lovlar »

It’s going to be interesting to see how these types of bans play out.

One alternative to bans could perhaps be if the EU created an IdP or something similar, with a fee for each authentication request, and then forced all commercial services within Europe to use it. I’m not sure if the fee should go back to the user or be paid as tax to the government, but either way, it would change the incentives around connecting traffic to you and making profit from it by harvesting data or steering recommendation engines.

Because I do think there’s nothing wrong with the government doing this, just like in the physical world.

And in some cases, we might prefer cheap authentications… like when posting comments, to avoid trolling/manipulation/bullying. Perhaps when doing “writes” on the internet, if there’s a robust way to identify that type of traffic.

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Post by [deleted] »

andix wrote: post #98

Modern social media is nothing like social media in early days (myspace, early Facebook and even early Instagram). Back then it was a platform to communicate with friends, and maybe even find new friends to meet up with. Today social media is more like a drug, to keep the user engaged and to push content to them. The content must either be addictive/engaging or paid advertisements. Quality of the content doesn't matt…

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Post by verdverm »

rhines wrote: post #153
verdverm wrote: post #96

How long before the kids use Ai to build their own?

What matters is content, not communication. They could build a platform to chat with each other, but they could just use WhatsApp or text or email for that. But they can't build a platform with an infinite stream of targeted content (until AI generates content I guess).

I hear parents of young children are already sitting their children down in front of AI generated children's content on YouTube
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