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Web development is fun again

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Re: Web development is fun again

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post #213

If you have front-end and back-end separate, you're doing web development wrong.

Totally agree. I've been using blazor server + Claude for project and it just removes all the stupid complexity of having react + a rest API.

I know right? You can share types, you don't need to glue API, etc etc. Why don't people realize that.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Yes! I feel like so many people really fail to appreciate this side of things. Heck, Suno has gotten me to the point where I play so much more piano (the recording -> polished track loop is very rewarding) that not only did I publish an album to Spotify in my favorite genre, of music that I’m really happy with, I’ve also started to produce some polished acoustic recordings with NO AI involvement. That’s just because…

What should we search for to hear your album?

Thanks for your interest!

My artist name is He & The Machines (yes, it’s a bit on the nose). It’s on Spotify, iTunes, YouTube, and anywhere else you look probably.

The album name is “songs to play at the end of the world”.

Re: Web development is fun again

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post #7

Something I like about our weird new LLM-assisted world is the number of people I know who are coding again, having mostly stopped as they moved into management roles or lost their personal side project time to becoming parents. AI assistance means you can get something useful done in half an hour, or even while you are doing other stuff. You don't need to carve out 2-4 hours to ramp up any more. If you have signific…

> AI assistance means you can get something useful done in half an hour, or even while you are doing other stuff. You don't need to carve out 2-4 hours to ramp up any more. That fits my experience with a chrome extension I created. Instead of having to read the docs, find example projects, etc, I was able to get a working version in less than a hour.

I experienced the exact same thing: I needed a web tool, and as far as I could tell from recent reviews, the offerings in the chrome extension store seemed either a little suspicious or broken, so I made my own extension in a little under an hour.

It used recent APIs and patterns that I didn't have to go read extensive docs for or do deep learning on. It has an acceptable test suite. The code was easy to read, and reasonable, and I know no one will ever flip it into ad-serving malware by surprise.

A big thing is just that the idea of creating a non-trivial tool is suddenly a valid answer to the question. Previously, I know would have had to spend a bunch of time reading docs, finding examples, etc., let alone the inevitable farting around with a minor side-quest because something wasn't working, or rethinking+reworking some design decision that on the whole wasn't that important. Instead, something popped into existence, mostly worked, and I could review and tweak it.

It's a little bit like jumping from a problem of "solve a polynomial" to one of "verify a solution for a polynomial".

Re: Web development is fun again

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> Even with refinement and back-and-forth prompting, I’m easily 10x more productive Developers notoriously overestimate the productivity gains of AI, especially because it's akin to gambling every time you make a prompt, hoping for the AI's output to work. I'd be shocked if the developer wasn't actually less productive.

Don't worry, it's an LLM that wrote it based on the patterns in the text, e.g. "Starting a new project once felt insurmountable. Now, it feels realistic again."

Re: Web development is fun again

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post #270

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That was LLMs in 2023.

Respect to you. I ran out of energy to correct people's dated misconceptions. If they want to get left behind, it's not my problem.

At some point no-one is going to have to argue about this. I'm guessing a bit here, but my guess is that within 5 years, in 90%+ jobs, if you're not using an AI assistant to code, you're going to be losing out on jobs. At that point, the argument over whether they're crap or not is done.

I say this as someone who has been extremely sceptical over their ability to code in deep, complicated scenarios, but lately, claude opus is surprising me. And it will just get better.

Re: Web development is fun again

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One thing is true: now I go to the bar with the other guys in the group, drink whatever and let Claude or Codex do the work while I supervise, then merge PR in the morning... I wish I was kidding, but for non critical projects this is now a reality

I work at most 3-4 hours a day, and my work is prompting Cursor. Certainly an improvement over suffering 8 hours a day, but still not quite what I'm looking for.

Re: Web development is fun again

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post #133

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Yes! I’ve seen this myself, folks moving back into development after years or decades.

They're not moving back into development. They're adopting a new approach of producing software, which has nothing to do with the work that software developers do. It's likely that they "left" the field because they were more interested in other roles, which is fine. So now that we have tools that promise to offload the work a software developer does, there are more people interested in simply producing software, and…

Little bit of a sweeping generalization there. There are a huge range of ways in which LLMs are being leveraged for software development.

Using a drill doesn’t make you any less of a carpenter, even if you stopped using a screwdriver because your wrists are shot.

Re: Web development is fun again

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>On the frontend, you have build pipelines, bundlers, CSS frameworks with their own toolchains, progressive web apps, Core Web Vitals, SEO, layout shifts, srcset/responsive images... I remember when the biggest challenge was IE6 compatibility. It is not necessary to do this. Server-side rendering is still a thing. I still do a lot of my side projects in ruby on rails, which is maybe not fashionable these days but: -…

Build pipelines, bundlers, CSS frameworks with their own toolchains, progressive web apps, Core Web Vitals, SEO, layout shifts, and srcset/responsive images have nothing to do with client/server rendering.

With server-side rendering you don't need a frontend framework at all, is my point.

You also don't need a css tool chain at all, irrespective of whether or not you render on the frontend

Re: Web development is fun again

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My problem is that code review has always been the least enjoyable part of the job. It’s pure drudgery, and is mentally taxing. Unless you’re vibe coding, you’re now doing a lot of code review. It’s almost all you’re doing outside of the high-level planning and guidance (which is enjoyable). I’ve settled on reviewing the security boundaries and areas that could affect data leaks / invalid access. And pretty much scan…

Worse, you’re doing code review of poorly written code with random failure modes no human would create, and an increasingly big ball of mud that is unmaintainable over time. It’s just the worst kind of reviewing imaginable. The AI makes an indecipherable mess, and you have to work out what the hell is going on.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Yes! I feel like so many people really fail to appreciate this side of things. Heck, Suno has gotten me to the point where I play so much more piano (the recording -> polished track loop is very rewarding) that not only did I publish an album to Spotify in my favorite genre, of music that I’m really happy with, I’ve also started to produce some polished acoustic recordings with NO AI involvement. That’s just because…

As someone who is very much in this boat, though with guitar and bass rather than piano, I have really been wanting to get into this. I'm even willing to spend some money on tokens or subscription, but I have no idea how to really get started with it. Are you willing to go into some more detail about what you do with Suno and how you use it?

I use it very simply. I pay for the monthly subscription that gives you 2k credits a month. I record a few song ideas every day, usually 2-3min recordings, using my phone and Apple Voice Memos. I export them as mp3 files and upload those to the Suno app with a very short prompt (my album is made of songs generated via the very simple but slightly weird “house string quartet” prompt that I discovered by accident).

I generate a bunch, pick the ones that sound good, extend them if necessary, and save. Eventually once I have 30ish I can just pick the top winners and assemble an album. It’s drop dead simple.

The only reason I published them is because my family started to get worried that the songs would get “lost,” and at the request of friends also. Not doing it for profit or anything.

The recording is the real prompt: the longer of a recording you create, the more Suno adheres to the structure and tone/rhythm/voicings you choose.

I use the v5 model. Way better than the v4/4.5 models.

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