Live data from Hacker News

Web development is fun again

ma.ttias.be

111–120 of 658 posts

Re: Web development is fun again

#111
As someone who always dabbled in code but never was a “real” developer, I’ve found the same thing. I know the concepts, I know good from bad — so all of a sudden I can vibe code things that would have taken me months of studying and debugging and banging my head against the wall.

If you’ll forgive a bit of self promotion, I also wrote some brief thoughts on my Adventures In AI Prototyping:

https://www.andrew-turnbull.com/adventures-in-ai-prototyping...

Re: Web development is fun again

#112

honestly, with LLMs, everything is fun again. embedded dev with a billion toolchains, GPU development with each vendors bespoke API, ffmpeg with its billion parameters - if anything, you could say LLMs bailed us out of the impending ultra-specialization. without LLMs, we might be facing a world where 30% of the workforce is in software dev. i am keeping my eyes peeled on vibe-coding PCB layouts and schematics. a lot…

What is fun? Prompting?

Re: Web development is fun again

#113
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why make pizza when you can order it? As far as I can tell, there's not much enjoyment of making being had. Enjoying having is fine too, but let's at least be honest about it. I enjoy looking at photos people took on hikes, but I don't call it hiking.

This is just obtuse. Some folks have fun building their own pizza oven, curing & slicing their own meat, and mixing their own dough. Some folks like to buy mostly pre-made stuff and just play with a few special ingredients. Some folks want to make 5 different pizzas with different flavors. Some folks just order a pizza. Some folks walk out of their house and start hiking. Some folks drive somewhere and then start wal…

It's interesting that nobody has actually answered what part of the process they enjoy.

Re: Web development is fun again

#114
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

please, developers are making terrible slop way before AI, look at the javascript infested frameworks in use on the web. they make NO sense. they are not making things simpler

And now you can generate javascript infested slop frameworks for $5 per million tokens. Such an improvement. And it's so easy to just ask Claude to make one for you, why even bother standardizing anything when you can just use bespoke slop for anything anymore. Libraries and frameworks? Not needed. Just shove everything into CC/Codex and let it figure it out.

That actually might be an improvement over the JS frameworks...

Re: Web development is fun again

#115
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

please, developers are making terrible slop way before AI, look at the javascript infested frameworks in use on the web. they make NO sense. they are not making things simpler

And now you can generate javascript infested slop frameworks for $5 per million tokens. Such an improvement. And it's so easy to just ask Claude to make one for you, why even bother standardizing anything when you can just use bespoke slop for anything anymore. Libraries and frameworks? Not needed. Just shove everything into CC/Codex and let it figure it out.

The financial incentives of the Chatbots are always going to push people towards increased complexity, as well. The tendency will be for frameworks to become more complex, which will lead to increased LLM use, which will increase complexity.

Re: Web development is fun again

#116
post #44

Of course its fun. Making slop _is_ very fun. Its a low-effort dopamine-driven way of producing things. Learning is uncomfortable. Improving things using only your braincells can be very difficult and time consuming.

The rate at which I'm learning new skills has accelerated thanks to LLMs. Not learning anything while you use them is a choice. You can choose differently!

How are you using AI to learn? I see a lot of people say this but simply reading AI generated overviews or asking it questions isn't really learning.

Re: Web development is fun again

#117
> Even with refinement and back-and-forth prompting, I’m easily 10x more productive

Developers notoriously overestimate the productivity gains of AI, especially because it's akin to gambling every time you make a prompt, hoping for the AI's output to work.

I'd be shocked if the developer wasn't actually less productive.

Re: Web development is fun again

#118
post #7

Something I like about our weird new LLM-assisted world is the number of people I know who are coding again, having mostly stopped as they moved into management roles or lost their personal side project time to becoming parents. AI assistance means you can get something useful done in half an hour, or even while you are doing other stuff. You don't need to carve out 2-4 hours to ramp up any more. If you have signific…

It's a little shameful but I still struggle when centering divs on a page. Yes, I know about flexbox for more than a decade but always have to search to remember how it is done. So instead of refreshing that less used knowledge I just ask the AI to do it for me. The implications of this vs searching MDN Docs is another conversation to have.

Surely searching "centre a div" takes less time than prompting and waiting for a response...

Re: Web development is fun again

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And now you can generate javascript infested slop frameworks for $5 per million tokens. Such an improvement. And it's so easy to just ask Claude to make one for you, why even bother standardizing anything when you can just use bespoke slop for anything anymore. Libraries and frameworks? Not needed. Just shove everything into CC/Codex and let it figure it out.

The financial incentives of the Chatbots are always going to push people towards increased complexity, as well. The tendency will be for frameworks to become more complex, which will lead to increased LLM use, which will increase complexity.

We need better chatbots to fix the bugs from the current chatbots that fixed the bugs from the previous chatbots when they fixed the bugs from the previous generation of chatbots that…..

Just give Sam Altman more and more of your money and he’ll make a more advanced chatbot to fix the chatbot he sold you that broke everything.

You don’t even need to own a computer, just install an app on your phone to do it all. It doesn’t matter that regular people have been completely priced out of personal computing when GPT is just gonna do all the computing anymore anyway.

Clearly a sustainable way forward for the industry.

Re: Web development is fun again

#120

> Even with refinement and back-and-forth prompting, I’m easily 10x more productive Developers notoriously overestimate the productivity gains of AI, especially because it's akin to gambling every time you make a prompt, hoping for the AI's output to work. I'd be shocked if the developer wasn't actually less productive.

Just as a personal data point, are you a developer? Do you use AI?
Post reply on HN