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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by snickerbockers »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #230
brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

to quote something I said a day ago about AI spotting in the posts of other people: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46114083 "I think that writing style is more LinkedIn than LLM, the style of people who might get slapped down if they wrote something individual. Much of the world has agreed to sound like machines."

AI witch-hunts are definitely a problem. The only tell you can actually rely on is when the AI says something so incredibly stupid that it not only fails to understand what it is talking about but the very meaning of words themselves.

Eg,metaphors that make no sense or fail to contribute any meaningful insight or extrenely cliched phrases ("it was a dark and stormy night...") used seriously rather than for self-deprecating humor.

My favorite example of an AI tell was a youtube video about serial killers i was listening to for background noise which started one of its sentences with "but what at first seemed to be an innocent night of harmless serial murder quickly turned to something sinister."

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by kragen »

nromiun wrote: post #115
skydhash wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A better benchmark is done through the web browser inspector (network tab or performance tab). In the network tab I got (cache disabled) Github 158 requests 15.56 MB (11.28 MB transferred) Finish in 8.39s Dom loaded in 2.46s Load 6.95s Codeberg 9 requests 1.94 MB (533.85 KB transferred) Finish in 3.58s Dom loaded in 3.21s Load 3.31s

I guess Github uses a lot of cache vs Codeberg.

I think you read that backwards. In skydhash's test, Codeberg's data was 72% cached, and GitHub's data was 28% cached. Maybe you meant that GitHub's cached 4.28MB was, in absolute terms, more than Codeberg's cached 1.41MB?

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by latexr »

styanax wrote: post #145
brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

> It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits.

Indeed. The article even links to it.

https://ziggit.dev/t/migrating-from-github-to-codeberg-zig-p...

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by giancarlostoro »

dannersy wrote: post #201
styanax wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

I often find we don't appreciate enough people accepting their failures and changing their mind. For some reason I see the opposite: people respecting those who "stick to their guns" or double down when something is clearly wrong. As you say, the context matters and these edits seem to be learning from the feedback rather than saving face since the sentiment stands, just in a less needlessly targeted way.

For me it depends heavily on context.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

mkornaukhov wrote: post #39

IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

Well, I guess. It's not a surprise LinkedIn and GitHub are owned by the same entity. Both are degrading down to the same Zuckernet-style engagement hacking, and pseudo-resume self-boosting portfolio-ware. If the value of open source has become "it gets me hired", then ... fine. But that's not why many of us do free software development.

GitHub's evolution as a good open source hosting platform stalled many years ago. Its advantages are its social network effects, not as technical infrastructure.

But from a technology and UX POV it's got growing issues because of this emphasis, and that's why the Zig people have moved, from what I can see.

I moved my projects (https://codeberg.org/timbran/) recently and have been so far impressed enough. Beyond ideological alignment (free software, distaste for Microsoft, want to get my stuff off US infrastructure [elbows up], etc.) the two chief advantages are that I could create my own "organization" without shelling over cash, and run my own actions with my own machines.

And since moving I haven't noticed any drop in engagement or new people noticing the project since moving. GitHub "stars" are a shite way of measuring project success.

Forgejo that's behind Codeberg is similar enough to GitHub that most people will barely notice anyways.

I'm personally not a fan of the code review tools in any of them (GitLab, Foregejo, or GitHub) because they don't support proper tracking of review commits like e.g. Gerritt does but oh well. At least Foregejo / Codeberg are open to community contribution.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by giancarlostoro »

kachapopopow wrote: post #158
mittermayr wrote: post #110

Additional note on Codeberg, which I think is great as a project, but I got curious on what infrastructure they are running on and how reliable this would be for larger corporate repos. Nov 22, 2025 https://blog.codeberg.org/letter-from-codeberg-onwards-and-u... Quotes from their website: Infrastructure status [...] We are running on 3 servers, one Gigabyte and 2 Dell servers (R730 and R740). Here's their current har…

oh wow I had a larger cluster than that since I was 20 more than half a decade ago, considering that the costs appear to be so low maybe I should also pop out few free services since at the moment I pay $600+ just on power costs alone for idle hardware on my personal cluster. If anyone has any ideas feel free to email me at: news.ycombinator.com.reassure132@passmail.net

Maybe you could reach out to the codeberg folks and loan them a server? Sounds like they could use all the help they can get.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by theultdev »

beanjuiceII wrote: post #240

niche language does something, cool story

It's a little more than a niche language now.

Bun is made with Zig, and they just got acquired by Anthropic.

Ghostty is another notable piece of software made with Zig.

I assume the Bun acquisition is fueling most of this Zig news. There's about 4 articles on the frontpage about Zig.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by hylaride »

63stack wrote: post #181
bayindirh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try exposing a paswordless SSH server to outside to see what happens. It'll be tried immediately, non-stop. Now, all the servers I run has no public SSH ports, anymore. This is also why I don't expose home-servers to internet. I don't want that chaos at my doorstep.

This is just FUD, there is nothing dangerous in having an SSH server open to the internet that only allows key authentication. Sure, scanners will keep pinging it, but nobody is ever going to burn an ssh 0day on your home server.

A few years ago a vulnerable compression library almost got pushed out that major Linux distros linked their OpenSSH implementations to. That was caught by blind luck. I'm confident there's a lot more shit out there that we don't know about.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by infecto »

jack_pp wrote: post #194
testdelacc1 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least he edited it to something more palatable. I vastly prefer someone who can admit to making a mistake and amending what they said to someone who doubles down. The latter attitude has become far too normalised in the last few years.

Is political correctness necessary to have a thriving community / open source project? Linux seems to be doing fine. I wouldn't personally care either way but it is non-obvious to me that the first version would actually hurt the community.

Hmm I don’t think any of the revisions are about being PC but rather not making juvenile comments. Linus has definitely made a lot of harsh inflammatory comments to others, I don’t think it’s the right thing to do and shows his character but at the same time for me at least it comes across as a smart pompous jerk who says things in the wrong way but at least usually has some kernel of a point.

The Zig comments come off has highly immature, maybe because they are comments made to unknown people, calling folks losers or monkeys just crosses some line to me. Telling someone to stfu is not great but calling groups of people monkeys feels worse.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by philwelch »

testdelacc1 wrote: post #231
jack_pp wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is political correctness necessary to have a thriving community / open source project? Linux seems to be doing fine. I wouldn't personally care either way but it is non-obvious to me that the first version would actually hurt the community.

Even Linus doesn’t act that way anymore. Here’s him a few years ago: > This week people in our community confronted me about my lifetime of not understanding emotions. My flippant attacks in emails have been both unprofessional and uncalled for. > Especially at times when I made it personal. In my quest for a better patch, this made sense to me. I know now this was not OK and I am truly sorry. The above is basically…

Yeah, that didn’t last.

https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=wjLCqUUWd8DzG+xsOn-yVL0Q=...

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