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Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by Mistletoe »

jrjfjgkrj wrote: post #47
swyx wrote: post #4

somebody said once we are mining "low-background tokens" like we are mining low-background (radiation) steel post WW2 and i couldnt shake the concept out of my head (wrote up in https://www.latent.space/i/139368545/the-concept-of-low-back... - but ironically repeating something somebody else said online is kinda what i'm willingly participating in, and it's unclear why human-origin tokens should be that much higher s…

every human generation built upon the slop of the previous one but we appreciated that, we called it "standing on the shoulders of giants"

How to make fire or kill a woolly mammoth was not slop come on.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by jollyllama »

shevy-java wrote: post #119

> This is a search tool that will only return content created before ChatGPT's first public release on November 30, 2022. The problem is that Google's search engine - but, oddly enough, ALL search engines - got worse before that already. I noticed that search engines got worse several years before 2022. So, AI further decreased the quality, but the quality had a downwards trend already, as it was. There are some atte…

> The problem

That's a separate problem. The search algorithm applied on top of the underlying content is a separate problem from the quality or origin of the underlying content, in aggregate.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by Aurornis »

permo-w wrote: post #29

besides for training future models, is this really such a big deal? most of the AI-gened text content is just replacing content-farm SEO-spam anyway. the same stuff that any half-awares person wouldn't have read in the past is now slightly better written, using more em dashes and instances of the word "delve". if you're consistently being caught out by this stuff then likely you need to improve your search hygiene, n…

> the only place I've ever had any issue with AI content is r/chess, where people love to ask ChatGPT a question and then post the answer as if they wrote it, half the time seemingly innocently

Some of the science, energy, and technology subreddits receive a lot of ChatGPT repost comment. There are a lot of people who think they’ve made a scientific or philosophical breakthrough with ChatGPT and need to share it with the world.

Even the /r/localllama subreddit gets constant AI spam from people who think they’ve vibecoded some new AI breakthrough. There have been some recent incidents where someone posted something convincing and then others wasted a lot of time until realizing the code didn’t accomplish what the post claimed it did.

Even on HN some of the “Show HN” posts are AI garbage from people trying to build portfolios. I wasted too much time trying to understand one of them until I realized they had (unknowingly?) duplicated some commits from upstream project and then let the LLM vibe code a README that sounded like an amazing breakthrough. It was actually good work, but it wasn’t theirs. It was just some vibecoding tool eventually arriving at the same code as upstream and then putting the classic LLM written, emoji-filled bullet points in the README

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by immibis »

amelius wrote: post #140
justinclift wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware of Kagi (kagi.com)? With them, at least the AI stuff can be turned off. Membership is presently about 61k, and seems to be growing about 2k per month: https://kagi.com/stats

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

Why's that something to be aware of? Yandex is actually a good search engine, so I'm told, as long as you don't search for things related to Russian politics. Kagi presumably knows this and won't use their results related to Russian politics.

Feels more like a scare campaign to me - someone doesn't want you to use Kagi, and points to Yandex as a reason for that.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by immibis »

visarga wrote: post #271
embedding-shape wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In person web of trust in order to join any private community. It'll suck and be hard in the beginning, but once you reach a threshold, it'll be OK. Ban entire trees of users when you discover bots/puppets, to set an example.

So we expect either 1. people using AI and copy pasting into the human-only network, or 2. other people claiming your text sounds like AI and ostracizing you for no good reason. It won't be a happy place - I know from anti-generative AI forums.

Yep and then you deperson them

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by immibis »

jascha_eng wrote: post #157
keiferski wrote: post #155

Projects like this remind me of a plot point in the Cyberpunk 2077 game universe. The "first internet" got too infected with dangerous AIs, so much so that a massive firewall needed to be built, and a "new" internet was built that specifically kept out the harmful AIs. (Or something like that: it's been awhile since I played the game, and I don't remember the specific details of the story.) It makes me wonder if a ne…

The problem really is that it is impossible to verify that the content someone uploads came from their mind and not a computer program. And at some point probably all content is at least influenced by AI. The real issue is also not that I used chatgpt to look up a synonym or asked a question before writing an article, the problem is when I copy paste the content and claim I wrote it.

There doesn't need to be any difference in treatment between AI slop and human slop. The point isn't to keep AI out - it's to keep spam and slop out. It doesn't matter whether it's produced by a being made of carbon or silicon.

If someone can consistently produce high-quality content with AI assistance, so be it. Let them. Most don't, though.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by never_inline »

Yeask wrote: post #128
never_inline wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please tell me this is satire.

Is just your average AI user. Too much "your are right" makes them detached from reality.

No man, this must be satire.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by Dilettante_ »

saturnite wrote: post #264
bawolff wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Politics is not just a 1 dimensional line.

Yeah, it's two dimensional. One axis goes from good to evil. The other axis, chaotic to lawful.

There's a secret third dimension you can ascend to through a hole in the neutral middle where the forces of the other two axes cancel out. 'The Elites' doesn't want you to know this.

/hj?

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