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Modern cars are spying on you. Here's what you can do about it

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Re: Modern cars are spying on you. Here's what you can do about it

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Post by rglynn »

drnick1 wrote: post #173
elzbardico wrote: post #142

Cars, your TV, your phone, everything is fucking spying on you. At this moment I am more interested in how I generate a tsunami of more data about me to the powers that be to drown them in a deluge of irrelevant bits.

Yes, and that's very sad. However the solutions are pretty obvious: Car -> unplug the cellular modem (more or less easy) TV -> used as dumb monitor with a Linux HTPC Phone -> GrapheneOS PC -> Linux Social media -> /dev/null Email/DNS/cloud -> my own The real issue is that most people are not aware of these issues and may even (unintentionally) compromise your own privacy by posting information or pictures of you to F…

> Social media -> /dev/null

That made me chuckle, absolutely right though!

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Post by mattclarkdotnet »

maest wrote: post #239
rkomorn wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tire pressure management was one of the striking differences between my experiences in France and in the US. In France, we'd check tire pressure at gas stations on nice machines that had built in dial gauges and were free. In the US, I had to use one of those hand gauges and the air pumps needed quarters (in most cases, especially if you weren't also buying gas). In Portugal now, the gas stations also have free air a…

> the air pumps needed quarters I landed at JFK and was looking for a stroller to stack my suitcases on. The kind of stroller that is free in every single airport I've been to. I was shocked to see it costs $7. The guy who (I presume) worked there sardonically exclaimed "Welcome to America."

Presumably you mean a “trolley” not a “stroller”, because strollers are for moving children not luggage

But yeah, free airport trolleys are are an easy marker of evolved civilisations, and the USA fails this test.

Countries that have passed this test for me that I can recall: Australia, Greece, Singapore, China, UK, Thailand, Italy, Spain…

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Post by rglynn »

maxerickson wrote: post #222
elzbardico wrote: post #142

Cars, your TV, your phone, everything is fucking spying on you. At this moment I am more interested in how I generate a tsunami of more data about me to the powers that be to drown them in a deluge of irrelevant bits.

For most people, it's all irrelevant. I'm surprised how many people think that keeping a low profile will matter in a society that attacks people for things you could discover from vehicle position data. In that society, you'll get attacked if someone wants to do it and they'll manufacture the pretext.

I think the attack vector most are considering are going to be government-sourced mass-targeting of individuals based on data triggers rather than any particular interest in the individual. The current example being many of the 12,000 annual arrests in the UK for online speech, many based on private messages. For many of those cases, these were private individuals in whom the government had no prior interest.

It's not difficult to imagine something like pandemic restrictions, where a digitally-enabled government could fine/arrest people based on location data, either because they travelled outside an allowed area or into a restricted one. Or they have data showing they were in close-proximity with too many people etc etc.

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Post by toast0 »

emidln wrote: post #198
hdgvhicv wrote: post #156

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“Lane keep” yanks the wheel dangerously because it incorrectly detects the lane, or because you don’t indicate to pass a pothole on an empty road (which itself would be confusing to other road users) Forward collision warning has misfired on 2 occasions on me in the last 3 years The main issue is that so many cars have broken “auto dipping” headlights which don’t dip, or matrix headlights which don’t pick out other c…

> Forward collision warning has misfired on 2 occasions on me in the last 3 years My Lexus is afraid of a bush behind my garage in the alley. It's on a neighbors property and not really overgrown, but my car refuses to get within about 5 ft of it. Makes backing out a nightmare. I haven't figured out a way to disable it, and have considered just selling this 2025 NX.

> I haven't figured out a way to disable it, and have considered just selling this 2025 NX.

I found this for the TX, might work for the NX as well?

Try disabling Parking Support Brake under vehicle settings > drive assist.

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Post by toast0 »

ponector wrote: post #196
SoftTalker wrote: post #64

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Check your tire pressures when you get gas, along with your oil and other fluid levels. Eyeball the tires every time you get in the car. These habits are not hard to develop and they will work even when the sensors malfunction (which is not infrequently). All that these sensor-based systems do is train you to be an inattentive car owner.

Many modern cars have no way to manually check oil or any fluid levels. Only way is to check the reading from the sensor via main screen.

Plenty of cars don't have a transmission dipstick. But do cars really not have oil dipsticks anymore? Other than EVs ;p

Sealed radiators? No way to look for winshield washer fluid? No translucent reservoir of brake fluid?

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Post by rTX5CMRXIfFG »

mattmaroon wrote: post #242
chasing0entropy wrote: post #17

Remove the antennas. Do not give in to the mirage of convenience. Use a stand alone generic GPS. Vehicle GPS devices are anti privacy for so many reasons. Listen to stored music from an SD card if terrestrial radio (NO SATELLITE). Did you know almost ALL late model cars can play a TURN YOUR PHONE OFF. Your phone does more than track you - the Bluetooth and wifi beacon scanners are always running. When you come across…

Yeah that’s great if you’re a CIA intelligence officer but what normal person can do this and still function in the modern world? Do the people who say this stuff leave their homes regularly? And what’s the benefit of it all? Fewer targeted ads?

Leverage over your insurance provider sound good to you?

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Post by toast0 »

baubino wrote: post #257
everdrive wrote: post #119

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>Falling back to an attitude of not needing automation and instrumentation is a cope, and often a poor cope at that. A lot of modern automation is not really automation. A washing machine is automation: it takes a task which would have wasted hours of your day and reduces it down to a few minutes. A lot of modern "automation" doesn't save you any actual time time, but just saves you from being attentive: - Checking y…

As someone who grew up in the pre-power-window 1970s and 80s, they absolutely do save time. You have to remember that manual crank windows went along with a lack of air conditioning. Being able to quickly roll down the windows (especially all four at once) in a hot car mattered.

My 2003 s-10 has AC and crank windows, my 2007 Ranger did too. Power windows sure are nice when you want to talk to someone out the passenger side and you don't have a passenger though. Or if you want a breeze regardless of AC.

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Post by JuniperMesos »

monerozcash wrote: post #269
tadfisher wrote: post #265

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Probably somewhere short of incarcerating someone for what they typed in a browser's URL bar.

So if I deliberately exploit a bug on your website and download your customer database by typing things in my browsers URL bar, I should not be prosecuted?

No, and I would support a law explicitly making it illegal for prosecutor to prosecute you for this.

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Post by JuniperMesos »

monerozcash wrote: post #105
mindslight wrote: post #77

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It would be an extremely totalitarian dynamic to be persecuted with the CFAA for modifying a device you own based on part of it having been (nonconsensually!) programmed by a third party to upload data to their own server. You own the device, so anything you do within that device is authorized. And the code that uploads the data is authorized to do so because it was put there by the same company that owns [controls]…

Prosecuting someone for deliberately injecting garbage data into another persons system hardly seems totalitarian. > You own the device, so anything you do within that device is authorized You're very clearly describing a situation where at least some of the things you're doing aren't happening on your own device. >I do know that the CFAA essentially gets interpreted to mean whatever the corpos want it to mean - it's…

No it does in fact seem totalitarian. I support repealing the CFAA.

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Post by pwndByDeath »

monerozcash wrote: post #248
BobbyTables2 wrote: post #241

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Guessing URLs is equivalent to ordering an item not on the menu in a restaurant. The request may or may not be granted.

This same logic is easily extended to SQL injection, or just about any other software vulnerability. How do you propose the line should be drawn?

Cyber attacks are consentual, digital engineering is the only discipline where we have complete mastery of the media. If you make a system (or authorize it) what someone does with it is your fault.
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