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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by wkat4242 »

bonoboTP wrote: post #224
harrisoned wrote: post #179

> At present the project is focused on mobile platforms, specifically Android and iOS, as they cover the vast majority of users and real-world use cases. (..) Desktop support is not currently within the project's scope. This is the equivalent of a "Do you guys not have phones??"[1] but on a way larger scale. At least where i live i am able to use the bare minimum of phones, even working with tech. The friction is inc…

Another recent news about mandated app use: Ryanair now (from November) requires using their app for the boarding pass, no more printouts from the desktop. Also, they refuse to show the QR code for the boarding pass in a mobile browser via the website, you must use their app. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/travel/news/ryanair-s-new-check-in...

A BIG reason these companies like Ryanair want you to use their app its that it's much easier to collect data about you than through a website :(

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Post by renewiltord »

oblio wrote: post #240
renewiltord wrote: post #212

EU gonna EU. You should be thankful. If they made a desktop app answering the cookie banner would rival applying for citizenship in complexity.

You do know that all those sudden repairability and longer OS updates Samsung and Apple keep touting worldwide are due to EU regulations, right? Easy battery and screen replacements, USB C on iPhones, 7 years of US updates, etc, all due to the EU.

Yeah, all sorts of pointless crap. 7 years of updates, that's the iPhone X? Yeah I couldn't care less. USB-C? Don't care. I use wireless charging. If we could lose all of that in exchange for losing cookie banners I would take it in a heartbeat.

In another couple of decades the EU will be an irrelevant market as their population becomes even poorer. Then we can finally be free of their nonsense. The only risk is that the Eastern European countries become more prosperous than the Western European ones and prop up their influence.

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Post by wkat4242 »

okanat wrote: post #129
logifail wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can't run your bank's app I can log in to my bank account using my desktop PC > government eID apps I can sign into government websites using my desktop PC and its smart card reader and my government-issued eID smartcard. No smartphone needed.

Not in EU. Many banks mandate you either have an iPhone or Google approved Android as 2FA. Those fucking idiots have killed their own competition options.

Spain provides smart cards to their citizens. Mobile is not needed.

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Post by wkat4242 »

BasilofBasiley wrote: post #211
okanat wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in EU. Many banks mandate you either have an iPhone or Google approved Android as 2FA. Those fucking idiots have killed their own competition options.

While everyone took the opportunity to reply to you with "Not in my bank/country/to-my-awareness" This is what's happening in Portugal: https://old.reddit.com/r/portugal/comments/1msc886/obriga%C3... Effectively, if the client doesn't download the App, they will never be able to log into the homebanking website again. The bank enforced this and now if you login normally it will redirect to a page where you can downlo…

> While everyone took the opportunity to reply to you with "Not in my bank/country/to-my-awareness" This is what's happening in Portugal:

Well yeah but that's what you get when you make overly broad statements like "not in the EU".

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Post by pelorat »

codedokode wrote: post #175
jeroenhd wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The app this discussion is about is a reference implementation that is part of a long-term process for building a digital identity app. Specifically, this discussion is about the age verification part of the app, which is the first part expected to be finished but is also only a small part of a much wider ideal. Europe's dependence on American tech is a major pain point but realistically, there are only two smartphon…

This "identity wallet" is such a hostile idea, require identification for everything instead of thinking about how to remove identification (for example, allow anonymous banking, traveling).

Wait until you find out that in some places in the EU it's a crime to not carry a physical ID on your person when you leave the house.

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Post by bonoboTP »

jacobgkau wrote: post #274
bonoboTP wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are verbose and vague about it: "Some passengers may be concerned about what they can do if they lose their phone or of their devices run out of battery before the pass board the aircraft. Ryanair has said they will assist people experiencing difficulties free of charge at the gate gathering their information and flight details which will be cross-checked and validated against the flight manifest so that they ca…

Of course-- there will be accommodations to start out with. Then, after the new system has become "just the way things work," the accommodations will be removed for security or efficiency or some other reason. Or maybe not. I've never lost a boarding pass, but if you lose one, you can get it re-issued somewhere, right?

Without endorsement of the behavior, here's a guy getting arrested for being argumentative about not having a boarding pass in the app, and being told he can't pay their 5 dollar boarding pass print fee with cash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QwwPmHyuEA

Again, being argumentative like this never helps, but it will be you either go along with it, get escorted out or not fly in the first place.

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Post by lucb1e »

mrtksn wrote: post #38

Tangentially, I would love to be able to see the age of everyone on the internet. IRL this gives us so much context when having an interaction.

I can't find which document it was specifically, but I seem to remember that the hackers' ethos always been that it doesn't matter who you are, what your title is or skin looks like, but that your arguments are to be valued by its merit rather than by who says it. Age seems like another one of these properties you are stuck with

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Post by lucb1e »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #12

Do you want desktop PC vendors locking down hardware to enforce integrity?

Better that it's a dummy device I can stick in a corner and turn on when needed, than the thing I need to carry around all day for various purposes like finding my way around and showing a legal public transport ticket

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Post by lucb1e »

skybrian wrote: post #165

They point out that some other service could do it: > It should also be noted that this project is an example of a solution that is considered to meet certain requirements of the DSA, regarding the protection of minors. It does not prevent the use of other solutions that also meet those requirements. Is anyone building that service?

The EU is paying for this one but not other ones apparently. Strange. It's almost as though they're paying to build what they plan to use rather than making an example for the heck of it
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