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Re: Framework Laptop 16

#281
You've got a 16 inch Laptop, why are the arrow keys so tiny! And where's the PgUp PgDn Home End Insert Delete cluster? I wish a design-based shop like Framework would have some leadership in the keyboard area. This is why I have been exclusively Thinkpads for my last 3 laptops.

Something more niche is that I also enjoy the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I can move with the thumb and click with a finger.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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They were referencing a time, in the middle of the 2010's, when "amdgpu" was released. It is a completely rewritten, different driver, and is mostly open source [0]. Before that, the driver was named "radeon" and it was very shaky. I can speak to this personally. I had desktop Linux systems with both AMD/ATI and Nvidia GPUs, and while there were some issues with Nvidia, the AMD/ATI drivers gave me nightmares. Once th…

You have this largely right, but I need to defend the Radeon driver a bit here. The driver that caused all the problems was the proprietary fglrx driver, not the open source Radeon driver. The issue with the Radeon driver wasn’t stability, it was that it was 2d acceleration only.

it was 2d acceleration only

Not completely true either, it eventually supported most of the normal 3d primitives but gaming performance was never a priority because there were few developers and they weren't employed by AMD/ATI -- which also meant that some cards would only reach full feature support after their EOL, sadly.

The amdgpu also driver benefits from a lot of the groundwork that has been done since. The radeon driver is older than kernel features like KMS (kernel modesetting) and GEM (graphics execution manager), and the LLVM-based shader compiler in mesa (userspace). I'd say that the radeon driver was actually the proving ground for many of these features, because it was the most capable open source 3d driver: The Intel 845/915 hardware barely supported 3d operations, and the only 3d-capable open source driver for Nvidia was the reverse-engineered nouveau driver.

Luckily, many people working on the amdgpu driver are actually on AMD's payroll these days.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I have bad news for you: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/th... Someone should scoop up the niche market of anguished ThinkPad devotees, with a TrackPoint and a good, non-chiclet keyboard. Maybe Framework, leveraging its modular system. Maybe a Framework-compatible third-party.

I just watched Framework's other video talking about what they're working on[1], and they mentioned they're trying to get the trackpoint working, but they're having issues with it damaging the screen due to the low clearance. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RzUBqtgODM

Thanks. At 11m. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RzUBqtgODM&t=11m

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#284
I can't unsee nano-texture on MacBook Pro (for the better), and so any other display drives me crazy now -- including Apple's own MacBook Air. Wish more companies would offer this!

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Still hoping for a fanless model one day.

They do sell risc development boards- i hope that either that becomes mature or a more efficient arm soc becomes an option.

hopefully such Arm option would have Arm SystemReady Compliance so you could just install whatever distro you want on it

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #260
post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were referencing a time, in the middle of the 2010's, when "amdgpu" was released. It is a completely rewritten, different driver, and is mostly open source [0]. Before that, the driver was named "radeon" and it was very shaky. I can speak to this personally. I had desktop Linux systems with both AMD/ATI and Nvidia GPUs, and while there were some issues with Nvidia, the AMD/ATI drivers gave me nightmares. Once th…

You have this largely right, but I need to defend the Radeon driver a bit here. The driver that caused all the problems was the proprietary fglrx driver, not the open source Radeon driver. The issue with the Radeon driver wasn’t stability, it was that it was 2d acceleration only.

I remember! I stand corrected on the name and the issues!

I forgot that name "fglrx", probably a mental self-defense mechanism. Those were some bad times, trying to get different display outputs to work at the same time, guessing and testing values in xorg.conf, so on. There was some community utility someone wrote to try and help with installation, reinstallation, configuration and reconfiguration, but the name eludes me now.

I would edit my post to correct it, but it seems the edit window has passed.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#287
From the announcement email:

> We were the first laptop maker to ship a USB-C 180W adapter with the original Framework Laptop 16, and somehow nearly two years later, we may be the first to ship with 240W too!

That is truly wild. When I first discovered that heavy gaming drains the battery in the FW16 I went out to search for a more powerful USB-C power supply. No results. Best I could find was a paltry 140W one. Definitely upgrading this part.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Have you tried holding with one finger and aiming with the other?

Have you? The precision vs a touchpad with buttons isn't even close. It may well be a driver issue in Linux, all I know for sure is that it's an issue that does not exist with touchpads and that I have already spent far too much of my life fiddling with settings trying to get it to behave.

I have, yes! I do it a lot when dragging and dropping on Linux. Start the drag with one finger, and then bring a new finger in to move it. It's just like using a button.

I've not had to configure anything to make this work for a number of years now in Plasma. Though I've been running Linux on Macbooks for a long time, so maybe it's about specific hardware support.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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What all does your Linux support entail? Do you offer support for both Linux abd Windows models? Is the firmware identical for the models that ship with Windows and those that ship with Linux? How well does Linux work out of the box? What kind of small glitches can a Linux user expect?

We publish our recommended and officially supported Linux distros here: https://frame.work/laptop16?tab=linux For the new generation, we'll list those as we get closer to shipments.

I'm guessing/hoping Debian 13 now meets the requirements and can be added?
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