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Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future

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Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future

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Post by ModernMech »

jfcnk wrote: post #265
user9999999999 wrote: post #213

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> or make the world a better place. Exactly. The past 163 days have only been about hurting people and cutting things down. There's no hopeful or optimistic rhetoric. Its just hate after hate after hate and blame. You cannot build a great country on this. But you most certainly can tear one down.

As Lincoln said I hope I have god on my side but I must have... Same choice faces everyone but there are no Lincolns around. Its a nation of hustlers, podcasters and youtubers who dont really fight for anything other than views, upvotes and likes.

I'm not sure, I think maybe that's the younger generation. But there are amazingly strong people here. I mean, I certainly don't know any podcasters, streamers, or tick tockers. Do you? We do have a problem with celebrity worship in this country, but I think that might be coming to its logical conclusion.

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Post by whatshisface »

timr wrote: post #239
whatshisface wrote: post #163

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Here's a citation that says the ROI for NASA is 3x. https://www.space.com/nasa-economic-impact-us-2023-report

That’s not a study, that’s a report issued by NASA . You have to be painfully credulous to believe that that NASA would find anything to the contrary.

They presented a logical argument with facts and statistics, which deserves evaluation on its merits.

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Post by Whoppertime »

duxup wrote: post #36
msgodel wrote: post #8

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Cutting enough to do what? Address deficit spending? Trump and the GOP do not care about that at all, they're looking at increasing the deficit dramatically. The GOP has done an amazing job selling people on topics like the deficit, trade, big tech and doing the opposite and people still fall for it.

Would you be willing to put your money where your mouth is on this issue? Bet that the deficit will go up more over the next 4 years compared to the last 4 years? On January 20, 2021, when President Biden took office, the U.S. national debt stood at approximately $27.8 trillion By January 20, 2025, as he exited office, the debt had risen to about $36.1–36.2 trillion. Are you willing to bet that Donald Trump will wrack up more than 8.3 trillion in debt?

Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future

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Post by whatshisface »

hackyhacky wrote: post #185
whatshisface wrote: post #168

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If you borrow at 3% to invest in an asset that yields 10%, you can increase your position forever and will be rewarded.

Sure, but that is not what is happening. In reality, debt is increasing faster than GDP and interest represents a larger part of the budget. Do you think that's sustainable?

It'll be even less sustainable if we cut investment spending in science in favor of uncapitalized spending.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

deadbabe wrote: post #262
whatshisface wrote: post #153

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It's possible. It depends on how deep the cuts are and how much freedom scientists have in choosing. Scientists would prefer to save the major data collection projects, but the political side has stated a preference for manned exploration. What we know will be lost is all of the less politically armed but more useful small projects, including the ones that are used to study our home planet.

Well, manned exploration does sound pretty cool though.

Sounds like a good summary of the Trump administration -- fund the high profile, low bang for buck projects and cut the boring high bang for buck projects.

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Post by Braxton1980 »

fzeroracer wrote: post #13
frogperson wrote: post #4

Trump admin is just so selfish and parasitic. How do they not understand that science, research, and innovation are what drive the economy they are trying to rob? Truly evil and incompetent.

One of the big problems of having a government ran by an oligarchic gerontocracy is that none of the people in charge are going to care about long term effects because they'll be dead before it affects them. So they maximize short term value extraction and destruction. It's not strictly a far right issue either, the dems are feckless and useless for similar reasons being that any sort of long term consequences does n…

Are both sides equally bad?

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Post by Braxton1980 »

Loughla wrote: post #227
leptons wrote: post #177

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> the dems are feckless and useless for similar reasons being that any sort of long term consequences does not matter to them. Please elaborate on this.

Old. They're old. Gerontocracy means old people. Dems, republicans, both are old. The average age for republicans and democrats in the house is 57 or so. The average in the senate is 62(r) and 65(d). While 57 isn't ancient, it's also not young enough to give a shit about 2070. 62 and 65 year olds certainly don't care about a date so far in the future that their kids will be dead.

Ok. They are old.

What's the evidence they don't care?

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

Whoppertime wrote: post #244
greenpizza13 wrote: post #184

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Ya know, deportations without due process is authoritarianism. So is attacking the media and ignoring the courts. I guess the blinders are up cause you love Trump. More power to you, man, but you are in fact the baddie.

The constitution is not a suicide pact. If deporting millions of people without due process is authoritarianism, what is letting in millions of people without due process? Rules for thee but not for me?

> what is letting in millions of people without due process?

Nobody is saying this should happen; they are saying that if someone is accused of being in the country illegally then we should investigate that accusation and attempt to arrive at a conclusion that is as close as possible to the truth. Indeed, treating that as optional is authoritarian.

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Post by pstuart »

Whoppertime wrote: post #261
pstuart wrote: post #228

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There's no doubt that there's waste and inefficiency, but it would be nice if it was addressed by parties who are not hostile to the enterprise as a whole. The concept of a "DOGE" would be wonderful if it actually focused on efficiency of government spending rather than cover to destroy all ideological enemies.

The concept of "Diversity Equity and Inclusion" would be wonderful if it actually focused on ideological diversity and being welcoming to others rather than being a system designed to produce people with different skin tones and the same opinion, and acting as a racial spoil system

From what I've learned about DEI programs is that the crux of it all is simply to ensure jobs are publicly available and not limited to "insiders".

It's been positioned as "Affirmative Action 2.0" by its detractors, and that re-branding is clearly effective as you have been receptive to it.

Now I could be wrong, and there could be cases where it has functioned as you suggest. I'm willing to be corrected if compelling evidence is shown. Are you willing to do the same?

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Post by Whoppertime »

sfpotter wrote: post #125
blindriver wrote: post #109

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Sure. Let's just not give a giant handout to the wealthy.

How is a tax cut a handout to the wealthy? The wealthy still have to earn the money. If the Doctors top tax rate goes from 35% to 30%, and his combined State Local and fee burden goes from 50% to 45%, he still has to perform surgeries to get the money. It's not a handout. he's keeping more of what he earned.
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