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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by tjarrett »

jamie_ca wrote: post #236
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

Offtopic to politics, but browsers these days support arbitrary text anchors. docs: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/URI/Fragment/Te... your link: https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/debanking-and-debunki...

Wow. Came here expecting to read about truckers and instead learned something really useful! Thank you!

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by digging »

jyscao wrote: post #114
Cumpiler69 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The Canada I grew up with [...] is completely shattered. What happened?

One could endlessly go on about the economy/COL, immigration, crumbling healthcare, housing crisis, far-left ideology going mainstream, etc. But I could frame it much simpler than that - Canada, at least in cities of modest sizes and up, is rapidly transitioning from a high-trust to a low-trust society. An anecdote: my sister is more than 10 years younger than me, she's currently attending the same university as I di…

> One could endlessly go on...

Yet, apparently one will instead sidestep the discussion entirely. Frankly the more you've tried to answer the question the less you actually answer it...

I don't see how "rapidly transitioning from a high-trust to a low-trust society" or "she's got 2 bikes stolen ... this would be inconceivable to me during my time living in the same town" reflect failures in Canadian government at all, really.

Has societal trust actually increased anywhere in the developed world? Sure, our governments have had their share of failures, but it would actually take an extraordinary vision and effort to increase societal trust as technology and population advance.

Is it possible your sister had a shockingly unlucky semester? Or that your world model was simply naive and wrong 10 years ago? Hard to say since the anecdote isn't really evidence of anything.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by catgary »

hackandthink wrote: post #276
mardifoufs wrote: post #142

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Crazy how only Canada has used emergency powers to curtail opposition. In fact it did that twice in 50 years. And only twenty people getting their rights completely stripped because they bothered the federal government workers in Ottawa is good enough according to you? Maybe it's just because I'm part of a minority but your entire comment is exactly the issue with Canadian politics. We basically have 0 rights the mom…

"In 1971, official date of the birth of topos theory, unfortunately the dream team at Dalhousie was dispersed. What happened, that made you go to Denmark ? Some members of the team, including myself, became active against the Vietnam war and later against the War Measures Act proclaimed by Trudeau. That Act,similar in many ways to the Patriot Act 35 years later in the US, suspended civil liberties under the pretext o…

I love Bill Lawvere, but he punched the president of his university in the face, he was genuinely lucky to find a position in academia afterwards.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by alext5 »

eastbound wrote: post #203
mass_and_energy wrote: post #75

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YSK that the people who had their accounts frozen weren't simply protesting in Ottawa; they were blocking international borders to our largest trading partner, effectively holding our economy hostage. This absolutely constitutes behavior that's a danger to our nation so it makes sense to freeze the accounts of the people doing it. To be clear, there were many attempts to settle this without freezing people's bank acc…

> effectively holding our economy hostage This is what a protest is. (French here). If protesters go as far, and in Canada it was because you did them dirty, then you must sit at a table and negotiate. You must sit at a table and negotiate with everyone in a country. You cannot do someone dirty then complain that they protest. It’s effects removing the right to protest, and therefore, removing democracy itself. Go li…

Please, disagreeing on a topic and providing arguments is one thing, but suggesting somebody go live in another country because you don’t agree with them on something that happened in their country is disrespectful.

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Post by Tiktaalik »

0xbadc0de5 wrote: post #115

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lol this incredible hyperbole begs for explanation.

The two main fumbles I can see of note are on housing and immigration.

On immigration the government only made remarkable changes in the last two years, and as if they touched a hot stove, they already realized their mistake and have already scaled back immigration numbers so much that Canada will effectively have nil immigration for the near future. Not likely a generational issue here.

On housing well I agree it'll take a generation to fix it but that was already the case before the Liberals took power. Very much an example of the future is already here but not yet distributed as Toronto and Vancouver were already experiencing a housing crisis in 2014.

Less an issue of what the libs actively did wrong but more an issue of how slow they were to act on the fact that Canada has had bad housing policy since the 1990s and few jurisdictions are taking things seriously. Fed housing policy at this instant is actually pretty good in that it is mirroring and supporting the good BC NDP housing policy. It'll take a long while though for homes to get built and likely things will get worse as the Conservatives scale back on investment.

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Post by throw0101d »

jamie_ca wrote: post #236
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

Offtopic to politics, but browsers these days support arbitrary text anchors. docs: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/URI/Fragment/Te... your link: https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/debanking-and-debunki...

> Offtopic to politics, but browsers these days support arbitrary text anchors.

Find this extremely annoying, especially in search results: I want to start at the beginning of the article/post, and not some random place in the middle—which is where the highlighted snippet in the search results are from, but not helpful for learning the larger context.

It also tends to mess up URLS that you may want to copy-paste as it has that text parameter garbage at the end (often with a sizeable amount of text that needs to be removed).

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by morkalork »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #272
morkalork wrote: post #254

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It's absolutely astounding that there have not been harsher consequences for the police who abandoned their duty in Ottawa. Where is the of rule of law here?

The Police Chief lost his job over it. What other consequences would you think appropriate?

Investigations and penalties for everyone up the chain, starting with the frontline officers who were on the ground refusing to issue tickets. If an officer chooses to not do their job over their political beliefs they do not belong on the force.

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Post by FredPret »

spiritplumber wrote: post #257
FredPret wrote: post #125

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You think the market is going to collapse but you're happy about it because it'll be bad for the conservatives? You might want to rethink a few things.

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I don’t like taxes and bureaucracy so now I’m a homophobe?!

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by tokioyoyo »

laidoffamazon wrote: post #106
maeil wrote: post #90

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Can you name a similarly wealthy country that is actually better today than it was on the date he started as a PM? I can't. Seems like something else has been going on. Potentially you could name Ireland, by becoming a tax haven, screwing over everyone else instead.

America is, especially since 2021 but nobody wants to believe it.

If nobody believes it, then is it actually true?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by ungreased0675 »

mass_and_energy wrote: post #75
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

YSK that the people who had their accounts frozen weren't simply protesting in Ottawa; they were blocking international borders to our largest trading partner, effectively holding our economy hostage. This absolutely constitutes behavior that's a danger to our nation so it makes sense to freeze the accounts of the people doing it. To be clear, there were many attempts to settle this without freezing people's bank acc…

That logic seems like it would outlaw labor strikes too, especially in important industries. Sometimes, holding the economy hostage is the point.

I take exception to the framing of “attempts to settle this.” The government used violence and threat of violence to make the problem go away. There wasn’t an attempt at compromise. Do what I say or else isn’t an attempt to settle.

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