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NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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New Orleans is one of the greatest cities in the world and definitely has access to experienced welders, this argument makes no sense to me.

Not only that but Stennis Space Center is nearby. It's no Cape Canaveral but it's not as though aerospace is completely unheard of there.

Stennis is not getting its personnel from local grad schools.

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> During a visit to Michoud in 2023, for example, inspectors discovered that welding on a component of the SLS Core Stage 3 did not meet NASA standards. Per the report, unsatisfactory welding performed on a set of fuel tanks led directly to a seven-month delay in EUS completion. > “According to NASA officials, the welding issues arose due to Boeing’s inexperienced technicians and inadequate work order planning and su…

Related: https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2024/08/12/whats_b... The Navy’s ability to build lower-cost warships that can shoot down Houthi rebel missiles in the Red Sea depends in part on a 25-year-old laborer who previously made parts for garbage trucks. Lucas Andreini, a welder at Fincantieri Marinette Marine, in Marinette, Wisconsin, is among thousands of young workers who’ve received employer-sponsored t…

There was an ad for Navy shipbuilding recently that did the rounds online, targeting gig workers [1]. The snake grows hungry, and slithers toward its tail. :)

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1IZC3t8NRc

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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What MBAs and Financists destroyed so far: - Western Industry. - The blue-collar middle class - The Middle Class - Our health care system - Our education - Western Economic Leadership. - Social Mobility Now they are busy destroying western technology, science and innovation on their never-ending selfish wealth-extraction quest. They convinced us that our homes are investments, so they can fleece us with their usurary…

No one really “let them” destroy things. This is one of the key dangers of majoritarian government. The moment that people can vote for representatives the representatives will be purchased, and later, the votes will purchased. Once this happens, money will be destroyed to allow the purchasing class to rob the wealth of the civilization, and this leads to financialization of economics. This pattern has been repeated…

If you think 1913 was the first boom/bust in United States financial history you're either trying to push an agenda or just totally ignorant

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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post #134

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You would have employees evaluate the managers. You can have outside consultants also evaluate the health of the management --but that can get tricky.

Neither approach works. Engineers (management are also employees, right?) ranking management erodes management authority, and management will never stand for it. Outside consultants are usually hired with a fixed agenda - the rotten eggs almost always get to stay. Stack ranking is evil, period.

It is, but it may be periodically necessary to get rid of dead weight and extirpate those who’ve risen to their level of incompetence.

I'm not advocating stack ranking for yearly review but rather a quintennial or decennial event to clean-house. In other words, a mechanism to avoid what happened to Boeing, Intel, Yahoo, and what is happening to Google and others.

360 reviews obviously allows orgs to get fat and carry bloat.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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You could find/replace Boeing with NASA/Federal government with this entire article. Boeing has a crazy amount of oversight. This is the governments failure.

Nope - Boeing has been failing at many things for many years - this is the fault of putting accountants in charge.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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post #273

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Is this ironic?

The problem is that the Venn diagram of a) people who say things like "Financists" unironically and speak of a cabal of people with "usurary (sic) schemes" designed to bankrupt entire civilizations and b) actual, legitimate anti-Semites looks like a blurry circle unless you're right up against it.

It doesn't mean there aren't people in (a) who aren't anti-Semites and who have legitimate grievances. But they're virtually indistinguishable from the people shitposting (or worse let, legitimately posting) on /pol/.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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post #271

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> if we were to have made these workers government employees The problem is monopoly. Spacefaring isn’t exactly the type of work that attracts the safe and secure job for life types. (Most folks I know at SpaceX would have chosen another career if the only option were a public job at public pay with public promotion limits.)

>The problem is monopoly. Spacefaring isn’t exactly the type of work that attracts the safe and secure job for life types. Sure, but we aren't talking about hiring astronauts (who ironically do tend to spend their entire career in government because it's the only place to get the thrills they want from fighter pilot to space). We're talking about quality professional welders. Stereotyping them into one bucket would b…

Do you make more welding for the USG than you do welding in the private sector?

If so it might be the only government job in the country that beats the private sector in terms of pay.

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What MBAs and Financists destroyed so far: - Western Industry. - The blue-collar middle class - The Middle Class - Our health care system - Our education - Western Economic Leadership. - Social Mobility Now they are busy destroying western technology, science and innovation on their never-ending selfish wealth-extraction quest. They convinced us that our homes are investments, so they can fleece us with their usurary…

> So, what next? our organs?

Not even kidding. There are villages around where I grew up, a good number of adults have one kidney only.

Now if they manage to kidnap and kill a person, now they got two kidneys, a heart, a liver and other stuff.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one really “let them” destroy things. This is one of the key dangers of majoritarian government. The moment that people can vote for representatives the representatives will be purchased, and later, the votes will purchased. Once this happens, money will be destroyed to allow the purchasing class to rob the wealth of the civilization, and this leads to financialization of economics. This pattern has been repeated…

If you think 1913 was the first boom/bust in United States financial history you're either trying to push an agenda or just totally ignorant

No, that’s just when the economy began financialization.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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You could find/replace Boeing with NASA/Federal government with this entire article. Boeing has a crazy amount of oversight. This is the governments failure.

Nope - Boeing has been failing at many things for many years - this is the fault of putting accountants in charge.

Boiling the downturn of one of the largest military contractors in the country down to "accountants" is a mass simplification. Boeing has 1000s of employees focused on regulation and oversight. If the federal government didn't see this coming, they are either complicit in this or incompetent. I will say, its a mix of both.
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