281–290 of 485 posts
In summary: the only customers that matter --corporations paying site licenses-- declared this to be an unacceptable business risk. Anyone who is still using windows in 2024 and isnt a multinational business or llc gets what they deserve.
I'm neither of those things and Windows 10 Enterprise is working fine for me. Many of us (for now) are still able to corral our OS.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
My takeaway is that Microsoft has been trying to boil the frog, but slipped and turned the temperature up too quickly. They're retreating for now, but make no mistake that Recall will slowly trickle back into Windows under another name. Every major power broker wants something like Recall to become the norm - bosses to spy on their employees, governments to spy on their citizens/enemies, and tech CEO's to collect tra…
This is a very cynical take. I've not seen anything to make me think this feature is intended for surveillance as opposed to personal utility. The personal utility benefits are very clear to me - the problem is the ease with which malicious attackers might steal the data (if they can breach the system).
The reason why Silicon Valley has got to where it is with the complete erosion of user privacy is naive individuals not being able to see far in front of them. Recall isn’t just one event, it’s an accumulation of a thousand tiny events to the point where Microsoft are so up their own arses that they assumed this would be an easy hole in one. Because it usually is.
And they will just slip it in regardless. This is just a PR thing. Mark my words, Recall will be back with a new name and slipped in with an update at some point and it will be enabled without the user even wanting it. Or coerced out of the user. Microsoft want people’s data, whether for their own greed or because they’ve been asked to by the NSA. Regardless, Recall is coming, and the public will be naive about its true intentions. Microsoft will win this in the end.
Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40677424 - June 2024 (54 comments)
Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40610435 - June 2024 (523 comments)
Microsoft Research chief scientist has no issue with Recall - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40594608 - June 2024 (87 comments)
Microsoft Recall should make you consider Linux - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40591141 - June 2024 (141 comments)
Microsoft has gone radio silent on Windows Recall - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40584190 - June 2024 (45 comments)
Windows Recall demands an extraordinary level of trust Microsoft hasn't earned - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40577197 - June 2024 (35 comments)
Security researcher discovers Microsoft's Recall tool is woefully insecure - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40573097 - June 2024 (68 comments)
Windows AI feature that screenshots everything labeled a security 'disaster' - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40570294 - June 2024 (42 comments)
How the new Microsoft Recall feature fundamentally undermines Windows security - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40433884 - May 2024 (47 comments)
Microsoft's AI chatbot will 'recall' everything you do on its new PCs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40425306 - May 2024 (167 comments)
Recall is Microsoft's key to unlocking the future of PCs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40417837 - May 2024 (58 comments)
This is confusing and vague to me, which I believe is exactly the intent. It focuses on security, reiterates that security is their top priority (and we know that this is untrue). What were the security problems? They don't even allude to the existence or detection of any specific security problems. It sounds to me like they're figuring out a new marketing approach, or they're softening the blow by "listening to user…
My takeaway is that Microsoft has been trying to boil the frog, but slipped and turned the temperature up too quickly. They're retreating for now, but make no mistake that Recall will slowly trickle back into Windows under another name. Every major power broker wants something like Recall to become the norm - bosses to spy on their employees, governments to spy on their citizens/enemies, and tech CEO's to collect tra…
Not even that. It's still coming, under the same name, just not as soon for everyone.
Recall suffered from a classic Microsoft mistake they've made time and again, but never learned from - how to correctly market and package your feature. Microsoft always tends to "go big" with their integrations, often to their detriment, in order to increase adoption of new features. One notable time was with Windows 8. They really, REALLY wanted people to try out the new Metro UI, so they deeply integrated it into…
How is this objectively a great feature? This is a spyware that stores screenshots unencrypted (and thus accessible to any other spyware). I am also not convinced that the AI tools would have been offline, thus effectively sharing your whole data with Microsoft (even more than before). From a privacy perspective, this feature is an abomination
Except it's so thoroughly invasive and ripe for abuse that I can't imagine ever using something like this that isn't open source and thoroughly vetted. And I think your very valid points are stemming from that -- MS's implementation was hamfisted and halfassed, and people don't trust them even if they do it correctly. But those are issues with the implementation and the implementer, in my mind. Not the conceptual feature.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone isn't technically literate enough to install Linux, they have three options: 1. Become technically literate enough to install Linux. Distros like Fedora are very easy to set up imo. 2. Ask someone else (relatives, local computer store, etc.) to set it up for you. 3. Continue using Windows.
Alright. What happens when something weird happens and you have to manually change the kernel or your hardware just isn't supported. I still wouldn't recommend Linux to most normal people. So your stuck with 3 realistic options. Mac. Chromebook. Windows. Chromebooks are actually really capable, but forget gaming or serious music creation. I've been using desktop Linux for over 15 years. It's still much more work than…
If you mean something else, you never need to do that as a normal user.
Hardware just not working happens on other operating systems too, it just sucks. But normal people aren't swapping out important parts so at most some USB thingy doesn't work.
This is confusing and vague to me, which I believe is exactly the intent. It focuses on security, reiterates that security is their top priority (and we know that this is untrue). What were the security problems? They don't even allude to the existence or detection of any specific security problems. It sounds to me like they're figuring out a new marketing approach, or they're softening the blow by "listening to user…
I used to work for a company that made a rather popular database for mobile applications. An easy API to store data on your phone and have it synced to a server with no effort on the developers part.
Two of my co-workers spent a few weeks making a nice looking chat application which worked by syncing messages from many users to different devices, and they wanted to publish it as a demo. Until somebody else pointed out that there was no security at all. The server just accepts the latest state from the client. This was fine for most of the current use cases, but for chat basically meant that any client could rewrite the entire history and the server would just say "thanks!" on next sync and distribute the changes to everyone else. These were adult humans with degrees from respectable institutions, and this hadn't crossed their minds at all.
Basically, I think a combination of Hanlon's razor and nobody wanting to be a naysayer is a perfectly adequate explanation for this Recall thing. I think it's obvious that a lot of people would like their computer to work like that, and I can see them wanting to get it out without having listened to any internal criticism (if they even have a culture that allows that).
Earlier quoted context omitted.
To enforce your point, rewind.ai has been doing it on mac for a while now and I havent seen anything but good reports about it. https://www.rewind.ai/
I'm not sure how I feel about a product whose page still says ©2023
Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone isn't technically literate enough to install Linux, they have three options: 1. Become technically literate enough to install Linux. Distros like Fedora are very easy to set up imo. 2. Ask someone else (relatives, local computer store, etc.) to set it up for you. 3. Continue using Windows.
Alright. What happens when something weird happens and you have to manually change the kernel or your hardware just isn't supported. I still wouldn't recommend Linux to most normal people. So your stuck with 3 realistic options. Mac. Chromebook. Windows. Chromebooks are actually really capable, but forget gaming or serious music creation. I've been using desktop Linux for over 15 years. It's still much more work than…
Then I think you're making things hard on yourself. I'm a NixOS user, I know I cannot get everyone to install my specific system with all the bells and whistles. But you could walk a middle-schooler through installing Ubuntu or Fedora; it's easier than setting up an email account.
Both Windows and MacOS are slowly rolling down a hill of bloat, surveillance and unusability that will eventually push people onto something else. Modern GNOME is basically just an iPad with more obvious on-screen controls. With distros supporting Flatpak, it doesn't even matter if you misconfigure your base system since all your apps are sandboxed anyways. I think the success of the Steam Deck kinda proves that people don't care what your desktop is as long as you have recent Chrome/Firefox and let them sideload stuff.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or at the very least, every other week when your computer forcibly updates itself as Windows likes to do, and you go through your 127th iteration of the onboarding process to your own computer that you've owned for 4 years, one of the new steps will be "Enable Copilot for an improved experience!" with a big "Enable" button and a tiny little piece of text that you wouldn't know was clickable for "More options" which s…
I don't know why you're being downvoted. This is Microsoft's enshittification, which crossed a personal threshold for me -- "don't worry, everything's right where it was", but subtle nudges to accept further "opt-in"s that are hidden behind UI Dark Patterns. I wonder if Satya is dancing right now...
A couple updates ago they put a bunch of new shit on my lock screen, like stocks and news articles or something, which I disabled immediately. And then the last update made my clock disappear which I can't even be arsed to figure out if that's a setting or a bug. Just do whatever you want with my computer at this point I guess, Microsoft. I just want to play a game.