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Re: This is a teenager

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Post by [deleted] »

andruby wrote: post #142
erquhart wrote: post #110

> College isn't just a place that teaches you how to do a job; it's also a safe, structured, and productive environment for people to continue growing up – and to fend off adulthood for a bit. This is actually a problem. > in developed countries, there is an era between ages 18 and 25 when we collectively agree to let people explore the world and figure out what role they want to have in it. He calls it "emerging adu…

Would you care to expand a bit more of what your experience was like or your perception? Why is the first statement a problem? (not trying to be confrontational, just would like to know more)

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Re: This is a teenager

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Post by prmoustache »

somenameforme wrote: post #244
lancesells wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Contentedness, satisfaction, at-peace, and so on Could you explain to me how this is not another name for happiness?

They are extremely different states of being. You are happy to receive good news, or for something to turn out well, or whatever else. But it is not a resting state. It's a liminal state. Contentedness, by contrast, is a resting state. You can awake contented, fall asleep contented, and spend your days contented. You may rarely, if ever, experience happiness - yet find yourself able to find satisfaction in life nonet…

You are just being pedant while answering to a non native english speaker.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by Clubber »

pants2 wrote: post #214
bsimpson wrote: post #158

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I don't understand how to practically make this work. There's a strong case to be made that a minimum wage helps people whose value approaches the minimum while hurting people above or below (e.g. $12 and $18 wages in an unlimited market both round to $15 with a minimum, while someone who only produces $7 of value is no longer employable). Similarly with cash infusions - giving people more money is inflationary. Nobo…

I have a family member that is severely disabled. She used to be on a program where the government would supplement her wages - she worked at Jack in the Box, where her employer would pay like $3/hr and the government would top that up to $10/hr. Now that program is gone and minimum wage for fast food is $20/hr. She simply cannot perform $20/hr worth of work, so she's unemployed (and living on government assistance).…

There's usually carveouts for people with certain disabilities. It allows companies to pay them below the minimum wage. I would be surprised if that was abolished with the increase in minimum wage.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by Laylo_ »

This data seems suspect. Three "some adverse experience" and four "many adverse experiences" individual all report a most recent annual income of exactly $380,288? That seems highly unlikely, and if that is a data error there are likely others.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by chaorace »

zer00eyz wrote: post #39

>>> He'll be bullied at school. He'll be held back a few grades. He won't go to college. I dont even know where to start with this. 1. The whole anti bullying campaign that we now have two and a half decades of in schools has backfired spectacularly. This feels like "well DARE didn't work, we need to put this money somewhere else". We tell kids dont bully people, but if you defend yourself in a fight everyone gets su…

I couldn't agree more regarding college education. Speaking as a member of the highschool graduating class of 2015, the pressure on every single child to go directly into college was insane. Even the mere act of telling an adult that you weren't interested in college could get you referred to a school counselor or called into an impromptu parent-teacher meeting. During my senior year, I was personally pulled out of class to discuss this topic on five separate occasions. I happened to be an unusually stubborn kid, but even I eventually caved and pre-enrolled at a local college.

Naturally, I almost immediately flunked out of the program. Who wouldn't quit something making them miserable when they didn't even want to do it in the first place? I was one of the lucky ones, actually... Many like-minded cohorts in my graduating class wasted years of time and money with nothing to show for it. They deserved adults who'd help pair them with the pathways that best suited their individual talents and risk tolerances -- not some blindly optimistic, cookiecutter college-for-all solution.

What about you, dear reader? Perhaps you're responsible for teenagers of your own... can you say with certainty that the adults in their lives have given them consistently honest and thorough conversations about the paths before them? I bet some parents would accuse me of being totally full of shit right about now... That's fine, I'm not some nostradomus bringing news of impending doom -- I only want the next generation to have things better than I did. If nothing else, it doesn't hurt to entertain the idea, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITwNiZ_j_24

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by hnburnsy »

"Being held back" or grade retention is rare for high school students (teenagers), so rare that it is hard to find a study on it. RAND studied middle school and elementary school retention and found only some smallish negative effects.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10025.html

Most middle\high school grade retention I see these days is self-imposed for an advantage in athletics; don't get me started.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by danans »

underlogic wrote: post #177
eptcyka wrote: post #133

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Better environments produce a population with a higher IQ.

Maybe but you can't teach a Labrador algebra no matter how many treats you feed it. These are aggregate effects of low IQ genetic traits as they play out over generations in our capitalist society. The trauma is a consequence of poverty and bad parenting which is because of low IQ. And don't call me racist. Ask why there was no IQ test line up amongst all that visualized data

> The trauma is a consequence of poverty and bad parenting which is because of low IQ

You have the primary direction of causality between trauma and IQ reversed. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=childhood+trauma+and+IQ...

Population scale trauma exposure and bad parenting is a result of poverty, social structures, and sometimes wars and conflicts, not something predetermined by genetics.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

erikerikson wrote: post #239
colonelpopcorn wrote: post #235

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You have to balk when anyone says that anybody is the same person they were 24 years ago.

You have to disbelieve anyone who says they aren't a derivation of their previous person states. That's just physics.

You have like zero molecules left in your body from 10 years ago. If you are worried about physics, the most important consideration is your diet.

And are you really a derivation of your state, or of the things that happen to you? The guys who were drafted into war in Vietnam and then got killed there, was there anything about them that would have made a difference to their cruel fate? If we go by this philosophy, the most import decisions are when you were born, where, and into what environment.

For example if you want a house, you should have timed your birth to 30 years ago.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by VirusNewbie »

zer00eyz wrote: post #39

>>> He'll be bullied at school. He'll be held back a few grades. He won't go to college. I dont even know where to start with this. 1. The whole anti bullying campaign that we now have two and a half decades of in schools has backfired spectacularly. This feels like "well DARE didn't work, we need to put this money somewhere else". We tell kids dont bully people, but if you defend yourself in a fight everyone gets su…

> but we under fund public schools

Isn't the US in the top of funding per student? I think if anything we over fund public schools.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by schnable »

joshuahedlund wrote: post #144
aestetix wrote: post #32

I watched the video. Maybe I am not understanding the visuals, but it looked like the narrator's conclusions do not actually match the data. He is trying to make an argument that poor kids need extra help or they will have a rough life. But the data seems to show that over the last 20 years, people from all background types are likely to experience bad things. Granted the last 20 years has been pretty awful, with 9/1…

> Granted the last 20 years has been pretty awful, with 9/11, various wars, and other things. This might be a side trail, but you can find at least as much awful - probably quite a bit more - in any previous 20 year period. (Iraq War? How about two world wars? Financial crisis... Great Depression? 9/11 and fear of terrorists? Cold war and fear of global annihilation? etc)

Bingo. The time period of this study is pretty much the golden age of peace and stability worldwide.
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