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Re: This is a teenager

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Anyone else notice how those with the most adverse experiences were both more likely to be depressed and more likely to be happy "all of the time" for the past month? Is this a flaw in the data? What is the causal explanation for this?

When you see a friend or family member shot/experience drug use/other awful things maybe you stop taking for granted the things you have.

Re: This is a teenager

#32
I watched the video. Maybe I am not understanding the visuals, but it looked like the narrator's conclusions do not actually match the data. He is trying to make an argument that poor kids need extra help or they will have a rough life. But the data seems to show that over the last 20 years, people from all background types are likely to experience bad things.

Granted the last 20 years has been pretty awful, with 9/11, various wars, and other things. So I'm not really sure if I can take anything away from the video.

Re: This is a teenager

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Just clicking randomly shows a (to me) unexpectedly low age for first sex. If I understand right, the people in here were born in 1984, so they are younger than me (late Gen-X), and i keep hearing that Millennials are having less sex than all previous generations, but these numbers look on the young side. Sampling 11 across cohorts I got a median of 15, which is lower than I found for one all-generations measure I fo…

> i keep hearing that Millennials are having less sex than all previous generations

This article is about a longitudinal study; it follows "Alex" who was age 13 in 1997, i.e. born in 1984.

US teen birth rates have been falling a lot - 61 births per 1000 in 1991 fell to ~48 births per 1000 in 2002 (When Alex would have been 18) and continued falling to just 13.9 births per 1000 today according to https://www.statista.com/statistics/259518/birth-rate-among-...

You have probably heard reports that teenagers are having less sex today. The teen birth rate would seem to clearly show that. But "millenials" aren't teenagers any more, they're 30-40 year olds.

Re: This is a teenager

#34

I like the message, but I feel like this is bad data visualization. The width of each group of people is not the same, so it's somewhat meaningless to visually compare groups without being able to see the raw percentages. For example, the "Many Adverse Experiences" group is stretched to be longer than the other groups so that proportionally fewer people in that group appear to be a larger proportion than the same pro…

It also seems backwards, unless I'm reading it wrong and 80% of high school kids see someone get shot ...

Re: This is a teenager

#35
Kind of cool, but the conclusion was completely backwards.

The final line of the study was "So he is our collective responsibility. They all are.", but the entire study was about how the home environment affects your outcomes. I guess their conclusion is that if an individual does a bad job raising their kids, it is societies fault.

Re: This is a teenager

#36
post #20

Just clicking randomly shows a (to me) unexpectedly low age for first sex. If I understand right, the people in here were born in 1984, so they are younger than me (late Gen-X), and i keep hearing that Millennials are having less sex than all previous generations, but these numbers look on the young side. Sampling 11 across cohorts I got a median of 15, which is lower than I found for one all-generations measure I fo…

> i keep hearing that Millennials are having less sex than all previous generations This article is about a longitudinal study; it follows "Alex" who was age 13 in 1997, i.e. born in 1984. US teen birth rates have been falling a lot - 61 births per 1000 in 1991 fell to ~48 births per 1000 in 2002 (When Alex would have been 18) and continued falling to just 13.9 births per 1000 today according to https://www.statista.…

Might be poor reporting, but it's not hard to find headlines like: Why millennials are having less sex than generation Xers[1]

1: https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/health/millennials-less-sex-t...

Re: This is a teenager

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Very cool site, however... ...my takeaway is a little different than what is in the commentary box (for the year 2017 in particular). The distribution of incomes don't actually look that different, to my eye. If this is the grand reveal -- showing that childhood heavily influences future financial mobility -- it's not super obvious. I mean, yes, there seem to be a bit of a skew towards low earners in the bottom tranc…

> If this is the grand reveal -- showing that childhood heavily influences future financial mobility -- it's not super obvious. I mean, yes, there seem to be a bit of a skew towards low earners in the bottom tranche -- but really it looks like the group that has had some astounding headwinds is kinda sorta doing about the same as the 'no adverse experiences' group?

This was my takeaway as well. My expectation was that the longitudinal study would show that bad experiences compound much more dramatically over time than the video appears to suggest.

Another issue I have with the presentation is that I had to keep pausing and carefully considering what each slide was saying, because the first several slides start by

  - categorizing people according to whether they had bad experiences or not,
  - arranging them spatially in one big group on the "bad experiences" axis,
  - and coloring them according to the severity / occurrence.
So now my brain thinks "okay, warmer colors mean more/worse childhood experiences. got it.", but then all the following slides

  - categorize people on lots of different dimensions (income, health, etc)
    - but always grouped spatially by no/some/many bad experiences
  - color them according to the dimension being measured
    - some of them are arranged spatially in reverse order compared to the
      legend, see 4:50 in the linked video / the slide on "general health"
So the entire time, I'm fighting my brain which is telling me "warmer colors -> bad experiences".

I wonder if it would be clearer if the measurement slides were instead grouped / arranged spatially by outcomes and colored according to the childhood experiences.

edit: it's ugly as heck but this is kind of what I mean:

their slide: https://snap.philsnow.io/2024-04-16T10-16-25.uifh7bss3d5f66b...

proposed rearrangement + recoloring: https://snap.philsnow.io/2024-04-16T10-45-19.n7ft281jipgv3tx...

Like I said, it's ugly, I obviously just copy/pasted regions around, but it should get across the idea that this would make it easier to see the proportions of each measurement class (income bucket, health bucket, etc) according to childhood experiences.

Re: This is a teenager

#38

Kind of cool, but the conclusion was completely backwards. The final line of the study was "So he is our collective responsibility. They all are.", but the entire study was about how the home environment affects your outcomes. I guess their conclusion is that if an individual does a bad job raising their kids, it is societies fault.

I think the idea is that "only support your family" harms everyone. The example, Alex, has 2 kids, works manual labor to earn poverty wages, and is depressed. Which one of the types of teen do you think his kids will be?

The common refrain is "then he shouldn't have had kids" but unless you're going to create an authoritarian state people will always have kids (and restricting kids went awfully for China anyway).

Re: This is a teenager

#39
>>> He'll be bullied at school. He'll be held back a few grades. He won't go to college.

I dont even know where to start with this.

1. The whole anti bullying campaign that we now have two and a half decades of in schools has backfired spectacularly. This feels like "well DARE didn't work, we need to put this money somewhere else". We tell kids dont bully people, but if you defend yourself in a fight everyone gets suspended because of zero tolerance... it is obscene.

2. College? Really? We stripped schools of anything that was vocational, or practical. What happened to shop and home economics... and the computer labs that got many of us started are long gone. Meanwhile we're short on plumbers, welders and all sorts of middle skill jobs...

Note: that there are now middle skill jobs (trained professionals but not college) that not only make more than those with degrees, they will do better over the course of their life because they dont have massive debt.

Alex has a shitty home life, but we under fund public schools and then rob kids for college (and we dont need more college grads).

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