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Portugal just ran on 100% renewables for six days in a row

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Re: Portugal just ran on 100% renewables for six days in a row

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Too bad that doesn't materialize in reality as seen in the EU

Those are the share of nuclear and renewables in total electricity production, therefore this is quite real. In which way 'electricity production' isn't real, or not helping to reduce greenhouse-gas effect emissions?

In the real world, the grid got almost shut down by the Russian war and the salvation came from even dirtier gas from the US

Re: Portugal just ran on 100% renewables for six days in a row

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Green power is working like a business of child of rich parent. The child may do the business, but in case of problem, then can alway ask his daddy(fossil fuel) to help. There is no sence to analize portugail or sweden seprarately, because they are a part of EU energy system and can infinitely get energy in case of lack of wind or solar.

For e.g. in germany 60% of energy is produced from renewable source, but there are weeks when it is only 10%. So you have to have coal or gas station to compensate it

Re: Portugal just ran on 100% renewables for six days in a row

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I could say the same about country side France, Spain, Italy, all of the Balcans including Greece and keep going, including the USA as well. This feels like typical intra-euro "they are poor" so we must be dirty stereotypes reminiscent of the times when we got called PIGS. For your information the EU average fleet age is 11.8 years, Portugal stands at 13.2 and France at 10.3. Perhaps not the story you're trying to te…

Bom dia meu vizinho. I understand that you disliked my comment. I live in Portugal, and I have lived in France and US as well. I’m sorry to say that people trashing stuff in nature is far worse here than these other countries. You don’t see people dumping fridges or old bathtubs in nature there. I see it in Algarve, Alentejo, outside Lisbon… that + the poop everywhere on the street, I’m sorry man but people don’t hav…

I too have lived different places and also have traveled a bit, I don't think travelling credentials are needed to identify someone who is living by stereotypes though.

If you want I can send you many pictures of my travels in France so we compare the number of abandoned tractors, completely trashed banlieues and so on. Or I can send you pictures of how Dutch people every week have a day where they dump trash in the sidewalk, the same fridges and old moldy furniture that you speak of, all around the city, or all the bicycles and trash in canals. Or about all the human shit in Paris homeless encanpments that are worse than dog poop in the street of Lisbon, etc.

Obviously I'm a bit defensive, and of course every country has people who don't care, and maybe there's even more in portugal than other places, which I'm glad to accept if you have any data, but you didn't present any data, just your stereotypes based on anecdata.

Re: Portugal just ran on 100% renewables for six days in a row

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Oh dear... Germany, and Europe, got gas from the USSR since the 70s (go on wikipedia and read about the state of affaires between NATO and the Warsaw Pact back then). Besides having a reliable, save, and cheap source for gas, this agreement kept incentives aligned and communications open. That startegy worked, until Putin decided to say "fuck it, I want Ukraine". Since the war in Ukraine happened a year ago, and isn'…

>Organizations active in nuclear power agree, new projects aren't launched anymore Nuclear power plants projects are ongoing everywhere around the world [1]. Do note generalize Germany fanatical behaviour to the entire world, this is not representative. [1]: https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-fu...

In the UK, planning started on Hinkley Point in 2010. It was supposed to run at 3 TW by 2020, costing £24 per MWh. It's now 13 years into a process that is projected to complete in another 5 years, eventually producing energy for £90 per MWh.

In roughly the same period of time 30 TW of wind capacity have been installed. Even if you discount windfarm capacity at an aggressive 4:1, wind has already succeeded in producing 2.5 times what nuclear said it would be able to and failed at.

Onshore wind is being delivered at a per MWh cost below that of the new nuke, if it ever runs. The offshore cost is much lower still.

Re: Portugal just ran on 100% renewables for six days in a row

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People don't make the difference because it's exactly the same thing. Neighbouring France has 40% electric heating whereas it's something like 5% in Germany. > assume you mean, was built, there was no war in Ukriane or elsewhere involving Russia, and hence no lessons to be drwan from it! And what about the talks with Azerbaijan and the increase imports from Algeria then? (both great countries aligned with the EU I'm…

Yes, because any transition takes time. And since people still want heating during said transition we still need gas. And since gas is the cleanest fossil fuel we have, yes, let's built pipelines. Which can be reporposed for green hydrogen in a potential future. Unless of course, you want to go pre-industrial that is.

Or maybe just maybe we can say that it doesn't work and it failed?

Building more gas pipes after the Russian war is pure insanity, even if you don't care about the environment

Re: Portugal just ran on 100% renewables for six days in a row

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Meaningwhile, today 17/11/2023 the same Portugal is back to the normal and emitting 170g CO2/kwh [1][2] - This is 6.8x the emissions of Sweden (25g) running on Nuclear and Hydro - This is 4.1x the emissions of France (41g) running on Nuclear, Hydro and Gas - This is 2.8x the emissions of Switzerland (59g) running on Nuclear and Hydro But still much better than "Green" Germany that reaches 647g CO2/kwh.... with 22GW o…

`Nuclear "just works"` No it doesn't. Nuclear power plants are nowhere near insured to risk and nuclear waste is not paid for. So nuclear operators are freeloading on society for decades making billions of profits [0]. To make nuclear "work", one would need to adjust insurance and establish a trust to pay for nuclear waste facility operation for the next hundres of years. But then, no one would operate them nuclear p…

> So nuclear operators are freeloading on society for decades making billions of profits

Funny. I have the opposite take. Society has freeloaded off of nuclear for a generation or two by ignoring the wider social benefits and putting all the risk on the operators.

Cheap, clean, reliable power matters. That we made it expensive via some made up social construct isn't very material to me in the bigger picture.

> As a car driver I need to insure my car,

As a car driver you pay a tiny fraction of your externalized costs to society. Most folks recognize this and are ok with the situation because of the wider social benefits overall.

Re: Portugal just ran on 100% renewables for six days in a row

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> Well, institute or not, European elextricity markets, which include grid operators and plant operators, agreed on awarding contracts based on generation cost alone (mostly fuel and certificates, I'd have to sig up the details but am literally to lazy to do for a discussion that seems to happen 50% in the land of make believe). It is not true anymore [1] [1]: https://www.euractiv.com/section/electricity/news/deal-on…

I didn't find any details on the new pricing structure so in the article...

Just dig up a bit the way the CfDs are working ....

Re: Portugal just ran on 100% renewables for six days in a row

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post #277

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Oh dear... Germany, and Europe, got gas from the USSR since the 70s (go on wikipedia and read about the state of affaires between NATO and the Warsaw Pact back then). Besides having a reliable, save, and cheap source for gas, this agreement kept incentives aligned and communications open. That startegy worked, until Putin decided to say "fuck it, I want Ukraine". Since the war in Ukraine happened a year ago, and isn'…

>Organizations active in nuclear power agree, new projects aren't launched anymore Nuclear power plants projects are ongoing everywhere around the world [1]. Do note generalize Germany fanatical behaviour to the entire world, this is not representative. [1]: https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-fu...

I explicity said elswhere that the devloping world is different, didn't I?

In the developed world, read western industrial nations, nuclear is launched anymore. Those legacy projects, Hinkley C or in Finland, run late and cost more than planned. And they a certainly more expensive than solar and wind. Nuclear is good for base load, the old inflexible kind, only. It is didficult to ramp up and down on short notice, making a grid less flexible the more nuclear is deployed. Hence all serious new capacity being either wind or solar. No idea why facta can be so ignored.

By the way, my opinion about the solar industry, makers and sellers of panels, is rather low, so I deffinitely don't cheer those guys up.

Re: Portugal just ran on 100% renewables for six days in a row

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LCOE (cost of produced electricity: the difference between nuclear and renewables is huge, and growing. Therefore it offers financial resources to build what is needed for a renewables-based system to provide most of the time: continental grid interconnections (many already done, most already planed because they are useful even without renewables), green hydrogen backup, V2G and smartgrid (also planed whatever the ty…

> Therefore choosing to produce H thanks to nuclear instead of renewables is only useful in order to bump up their capacity factor (reducing their total cost) and may prove to be a bad deal as electrolysis equipment doesn't like (breaks sooner) when using an intermittent electricity input. Which is entirely ok. There is one thing people mis-understand often about Nuclear power: The cost of fuel is close to zero. Cons…

Cost of nuclear fuel close to zero? Where I can buy that magic fuel? The little much money I have should do the trick!
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