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Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by 13415 »

commandlinefan wrote: post #175
footlose_3815 wrote: post #121

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Widely held beliefs Can you elaborate on these "Widely held beliefs"? You appear to have done some research into the topic so I think it would be beneficial to your point if you gave examples of the beliefs. Because of Bandwagon fallacy, because we know just because something is widely-held doesn't necessarily make it valid, so these popular beliefs, I'd like to see what they are.

> Can you elaborate on these "Widely held beliefs" My reddit account was permanently banned for _upvoting_ vaccine hesitancy - i.e. that people shouldn't be forced to take a vaccine they don't want to take.

That's good to hear. This ban very likely has prevented some deaths. If people in the US had taken public health measures more seriously, hundreds of thousands of deaths could have been prevented in the last epidemic alone.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by Zetice »

bhupy wrote: post #271
Zetice wrote: post #225

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You would spend your days blocking people, and not much else.

You already do this today with email for anything that isn't already swept away by your spam filter, i.e. by clicking "Mark as Spam". Over time, you end up having to do that less because the filter learns your preferences. You can also always go back into your spam folder and teach the system to unlearn something it shouldn't have in case it overcorrected. It's not perfect, and there's a very real concern that spam f…

I don't spend all day on email blocking! Gmail does a great job.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by bhupy »

Zetice wrote: post #282
bhupy wrote: post #271

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You already do this today with email for anything that isn't already swept away by your spam filter, i.e. by clicking "Mark as Spam". Over time, you end up having to do that less because the filter learns your preferences. You can also always go back into your spam folder and teach the system to unlearn something it shouldn't have in case it overcorrected. It's not perfect, and there's a very real concern that spam f…

I don't spend all day on email blocking! Gmail does a great job.

Correct, and with blocklists / opt-in moderation, whatever system that is would do a similarly great job.

With email, you can manually block wherever anything falls through the cracks, and that's effectively what your parent commenter is proposing. I don't think anyone thinks that having to manually block every single person from scratch is a sustainable equilibrium.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by shivekkhurana »

eriknj99 wrote: post #102
jollofricepeas wrote: post #90

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Social networks are hotels, right. - First they are new and cool. The young, hip and rich stay often. - New becomes old. Shoddy carpet, old fixtures, bad music in the lobby but older people stay until they die. - New hotels sprout up with cool carpet, music and fixtures. The cycle repeats. The only way we can ditch them is to ban them and then they’ll go underground :( What is dead may never die.

You can checkout any time you like but you can never leave

Most of them also happen to be in California.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by aaroninsf »

Work for them? Quit. Considering it? Don't. Using them? Don't.

Few companies members of this site convince themselves it's OK to work for, have done and continue to do more harm to our society, psyches, and body politic.

Just don't.

No one asked for a surveillance-first Shitter.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by bink »

ddren wrote: post #277
drowsspa wrote: post #113

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Case in point: we're discussing this on Hacker News, a very well moderated website. Libertarian tech bros love the idea of technical solutions for political problems. What they don't realize is the real service platforms offer is moderation.

I see many comments here every day that would get anyone instantly banned from most of the biggest subreddits. However, I think that most people would agree that this place is a lot less toxic than reddit. Smaller subreddits are somewhat better, but at this point this behavior has become pervasive in site, and users are expected to respond aggressively to any disagreement. As a result, any discussion becomes impossib…

Reddit admins only set some very basic guardrails, typically around things like hate speech. Everything else is controlled by the mods. There are subs that are toxic and many that are not. Which you subscribe to is up to you and will determine your experience. The example often used here is /r/AskHistorians.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by Alekhine »

justusw wrote: post #187
jeena wrote: post #53

> Building a decentralized network could also give Meta the opportunity for its new app to interoperate with other social products — a previously unheard-of gesture from a company known for building some of the most lucrative walled gardens in the industry’s history. It's clear to me that this person forgot everything what earlier Facebook was doing like Facebook Platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_Platfo…

It’s called embrace, extend, extinguish for a reason. Is ActivityPub next? Though given Meta‘s recent lack of output I seriously doubt anything tangible will emerge out of this.

Also don't see how it's possible. EEE relies on permissive licensing, which lets you make a better, proprietary version that everybody switches to. Mastodon is AGPL. I suppose if Meta built a competitor that was so great it killed all the Mastodon servers... But thats not going to happen. Perhaps if they built an activityPub platform, then disabled federation when they got enough users? Doubt that would work either.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by UncleEntity »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #276
olah_1 wrote: post #248

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I think the ideal social network would just extend the natural social networks of real life. Moxie at Signal was right when he said the real “social network” is just your phone contacts.

No he wasn't. Most of the people I have connected to via social networks do not appear in my phone contacts. And the social networks themselves do not have my phone number.

> And the social networks themselves do not have my phone number.

Yeah, they probably do…

Back in the before times people would keep up with their “Social Networks” by running into them at parties or whatever and “Update their Status”. Sometimes people would even “PM” each other over dinner and drinks outside of these “Group Chats”.

Hard to believe, I know, but somehow the human race managed to keep going.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by bink »

ditonal wrote: post #260
hnbad wrote: post #78

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I suppose "cheese pizza" refers to CSAM? FWIW I think it's a sign of intellectual dishonesty to complain vaguely about censorship of "widely held beliefs" without stating what those beliefs are. All social networks have "ground rules", they're just not always the same. For any social network that somehow can be pinned to someone's physical identity, those rules will at least include the laws of that person's jurisdic…

I can provide two specific examples of "widely held beliefs" that have been mass-banned on Reddit. I also want to note I don't endorse or subscribe to either of these beliefs but I felt neither were deserving of a ban and I was open-minded to hear arguments in their direction. 1) Reddit banned /r/NoNewNormal and "Covid misinformation" after activist moderators started shutting off subreddits. I personally got a Covid…

I'm not familiar with the reasons behind those particular subs being banned, but in my experience "toxic communities" are a more common reason for a ban than the subject matter. If a sub wants to discuss gender identity and politics that's one thing. If that same sub then becomes a rallying place for those who brigade and harass other users or subs and the mods don't respond to admin requests to stop it then the sub gets banned. It's not true of all cases, of course, but it is common and something that most users of those subs will probably never be made aware of as the content is controlled by the mods who may or may not support the behavior that got the sub banned.
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