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Is algae the new kale?

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Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by manmal »

dsp_person wrote: post #229
manmal wrote: post #216

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Why not just take B12 produced with microbes (= most supplements)? Those are considered vegan. Trying to get B12 from algae sounds unnecessarily complicated, considering our B12 has in all of our history been of microbial origin. But I also wouldn’t shun algae just because they occupy some B12 transporters. There’s all kinds of metabolic tradeoffs with every kind of food, and we are designed to tolerate that. Most me…

Oh I remember now I was actually looking at spirulina for omega 3. Seemed hard to find numbers, but one source said 331mg of EPA per gram of Spirulina platensis ( https://www.ripublication.com/ijac16/ijacv12n4_05.pdf ). Was considering what it would be like to eat like 6 grams of spirulina for 2g of EPA, versus that in one teaspoon of fish oil (high EPA type). But got stuck on the B12 blocking stuff. I wonder if your…

Interesting about the omega 3. Maybe the oil is also less likely to get rancid if it’s still bound to the plant.

Re testing, the article you linked has another article linked on the same site: https://www.b12-vitamin.com/analogues/ They mention MMA testing here (you could get one as part of the Organic Acids Test at „The Great Plains“ lab for example), but that’s quite expensive ($299 right now). It’s maybe the most accurate B12 test out there. Technically, it’s a test by proxy.

If you are currently serum B12 deficient, then there’s probably not that much to worry about, because the B12 analogues in algae also won’t be absorbed properly (maybe due to a lack of intrinsic factor). Supplemental methyl- and adenosyl-B12 don’t have that problem.

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Post by wwfzyn »

ben_w wrote: post #240
coinbasetwwa wrote: post #201

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Yep. People need meat.

I'm existence proof to the contrary.

It's technically correct that we need some animal products. The big one I can think of is crude oil. It's from animals long dead and also used to make plastics. Not sure if we count insects as animal products but the work of bees helps pollinate our crops. We don't eat the bees but we do take advantage of them and breed them to go around and pollinate crops.

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by boomboomsubban »

asow92 wrote: post #202
boomboomsubban wrote: post #198

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How do you describe an unfamiliar taste to someone without comparisons?

I would use descriptors such as savory, crispy, etc.

Savory like a main course? Or full of umami similar to cheese or soy sauce? And by crispy do you mean like lettuce or like chips or like a crisp wine?

There's no good way to describe new food, comparisons are useful though they can be used to mislead your expectations.

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Post by colordrops »

petre wrote: post #277
colordrops wrote: post #217

I've read that one of the reasons that thyroid cancer is so prevalent in east Asia is due to seaweed consumption. Seaweed has 10,000x times the iodine of other food products, and a percentage of that iodine is potentially radioactive. I don't have a source so take this with a grain of (uniodized) salt. Edit: since, I'm getting downvoted, here's a study: https://www.jstor.org/stable/48504137

Then you keep the seaweed for 90 days and it's not radioactive anymore? Iodine 131 has an 8 day halflife, which means it's gone Which also makes the hysteria against uniodized salt also look like a qanon conspiracy theory.

I'm unaware of any conspiratorial hysteria regarding salt. I only thought that I'd mention something I had found while researching causes for thyroid cancer, which I got while living in east Asia.

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Post by tomcam »

zmaurelius wrote: post #206
manmal wrote: post #204

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B12 absorption is finicky, and meats contain rather small amounts. Injections and sublinguals are actually better at increasing levels than meat.

Organ meats such as beef liver provide a significant amount of B12. If you are just eating muscle meat, then you will have to eat a lot.

Challenge accepted

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Post by Gordonjcp »

ac29 wrote: post #244
Gordonjcp wrote: post #189

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That's because soy isn't really suitable for human consumption, and about 80% of the soy plants that you grow consist of stuff that humans can't eat. How do you plan on solving the problem of eating the bits of soy plants that humans can't eat?

> How do you plan on solving the problem of eating the bits of soy plants that humans can't eat? Is this really a problem? No one is suggesting we stop eating fruit just because we cant eat the leaves, branches, and roots.

Well, it's roughly 80% of the soy that we grow and it's what animal feed is made from.

You could feed it to cows, in which case it gets turned into cow and fertiliser, or you can let it pile up and rot, emitting massive amounts of carbon dioxide and methane.

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Post by MikeDelta »

paulcole wrote: post #252
maxbond wrote: post #250

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Feel free to interpret chocolate cake as a metanym for a rich, filling food, I didn't mean to say they were similar in any regard other than that. If cake is an unhelpful comparison for you for whatever reason, disregard it, it's not important.

Nah it’s like when an American goes to Europe and then comes back and won’t shut up about how American bread is so sweet. I just can’t take it seriously. No offense to you personally.

Do you not take it seriously because of the tone of the American, or you have arguments why it just isn't possible?

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Post by 1letterunixname »

cowmoo728 wrote: post #50
galangalalgol wrote: post #28

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I've seen no direct studies. But there seems plenty of evidence that the fatty acid profiles between the two are very different. And the profile in grassfed is closer to in line with what is currently recommended.

https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2... https://doaj.org/article/94b48d8e1f40488992f3534900e8f0f1 * Lower in total fat * Higher in omega-3 and CLA * Higher in Vitamin A, E, K * Higher in polyphenols and beneficial plant compounds

Arguing about whether hydrogen bombs or fission bombs look prettier while radioactive fallout rains down. The conclusions the same: cancer and death, but with sides of obesity, antibiotic resistance, pandemics, and climate change.

For these reasons, eating meat is both irrational and immoral because it's suicidal and omnicidal.

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Post by goodpoint »

midislack wrote: post #221
goodpoint wrote: post #66

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> So if we now grow algae in "reactors" their nutrient profile will be artificial and out of line of their natural counterparts This is wild speculation. Plenty of scientific research shows that farming plants, algae, and producing fermented food in a controlled environment can be even healthier than "natural" food.

Can you link us to a half dozen or more peer-reviewed studies proving this?

I can link to few dozens if you pay me for my time. Otherwise https://scholar.google.com/
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