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> Even the source of node it’s just a bunch of function from pre-ES4 Old code does not mean bad code. Seems like a silly thing to look at, honestly. A bunch of java was written pre-java8, does that make it all bad? No, no it doesnt.
New language features are for new code.
"JavaScript is unlike other programming languages in that it is the universal scripting language." WTF? How is that even slightly true? C is the universal scripting language, in exactly the same way. Nothing happening in this space makes any sense to me.
The rise of JavaScript-only clouds intended as "defacto" solutions for web development scares the hell out of me. Monocultures are dangerous. At least in the early Node era, it sat alongside all the other flavors of server infra out there with a near-infinite variety of languages, platforms, OSes. Now we're being told that the future of web development is…Deno? That's it? One tool? One language? One platform? Not the…
Deno is only possible because V8 is so hyper-optimized. If you think about it, V8 has to compile/interpret and then run javascript code on the fly after downloading it in the browser. That's how good V8 is. That puts javascript in a unique position to enable something like Deno So if there was a compiler/interpreter for another language that was close to being as good as V8, then something like this could exist for o…
Like LuaJIT that has been around longer than V8?
The rise of JavaScript-only clouds intended as "defacto" solutions for web development scares the hell out of me. Monocultures are dangerous. At least in the early Node era, it sat alongside all the other flavors of server infra out there with a near-infinite variety of languages, platforms, OSes. Now we're being told that the future of web development is…Deno? That's it? One tool? One language? One platform? Not the…
Deno is only possible because V8 is so hyper-optimized. If you think about it, V8 has to compile/interpret and then run javascript code on the fly after downloading it in the browser. That's how good V8 is. That puts javascript in a unique position to enable something like Deno So if there was a compiler/interpreter for another language that was close to being as good as V8, then something like this could exist for o…
Interesting how this will play out. It's an ambitious goal to consolidate client side and server side javascript ecosystems which is quite fragmented today. On the other hand, this may only increase fragmentation further by introducing another target to develop for (wait for transpilers that can automagically convert between deno and node code). I will always look at javascript as this problem kid that cannot get its…
It's a battle of ideals, you could have have a high entropy ecosystem that's constantly evolving and perhaps "appears" unstable, or an ecosystem that's "gotten it's shit together" and probably trends toward stagnation and apathy
"JavaScript is unlike other programming languages in that it is the universal scripting language." WTF? How is that even slightly true? C is the universal scripting language, in exactly the same way. Nothing happening in this space makes any sense to me.
There's interpreters/runtimes for C? At least that's the go-to definition for scripting languages.
That said, I have tons of little one-off utilities I launch with "go run random-thing.go" because I don't care about the second or two it takes to compile, and if C were my everyday language I'm sure I'd have a compile-and-run wrapper handy. At that point, it's effectively a scripting language, right?
The rise of JavaScript-only clouds intended as "defacto" solutions for web development scares the hell out of me. Monocultures are dangerous. At least in the early Node era, it sat alongside all the other flavors of server infra out there with a near-infinite variety of languages, platforms, OSes. Now we're being told that the future of web development is…Deno? That's it? One tool? One language? One platform? Not the…
Deno is only possible because V8 is so hyper-optimized. If you think about it, V8 has to compile/interpret and then run javascript code on the fly after downloading it in the browser. That's how good V8 is. That puts javascript in a unique position to enable something like Deno So if there was a compiler/interpreter for another language that was close to being as good as V8, then something like this could exist for o…
[ disclaimer: i was a V8 contributor 13 years ago, and it is good, but it is not the only game in town ]
Deno overstates the problem it is intended to solve because its founders needed to justify achieving funding by being developer-famous. Let's say a company were to adopt this tech over Node, well, it seems like it would be slightly better, but probably not much of a game-changer. I'll leave it to y'all to talk about what tech is truly interesting as I don't want to seem ideological/biased, I just don't see how Deno i…
Deno is working on the runtime, the cloud infrastructure, the dx, and a framework (fresh). Nobody is doing that afaik. I think this is where the value lies.