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Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Not only that but the ENTIRE TEAM SECTION ON THEIR WEBSITE (worthitsolutions.co) IS A BLATANT LIE. Not one of those people is real. Every single biography link leads to Lorem Ipsum. It's a shady, secretive sweatshop operating out of Lahore, Pakistan.

Yup, and a couple of the stock photos of "Our team" are duplicates. Crazy. How does an outfit like this get hired?

Because there are lazy companies like Hacker Rank on the market to hire them.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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post #182

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Hi Vivek, why was the DMCA filed in the first place?

Reading elsewhere in the thread it looks like they have been relying on firms in Pakistan and elsewhere to scour the internet for strings that appear in Hacker Rank and submit DMCA takedowns when they find these strings elsewhere. This becomes awkward when it is in fact Hacker Rank that copied the strings from the source they are DMCAing. They should probably never send a DMCA again. It's political suicide in this in…

>Reading elsewhere in the thread it looks like they have been relying on firms in Pakistan and elsewhere to scour the internet for strings that appear in Hacker Rank and submit DMCA takedowns when they find these strings elsewhere.

Who ever thought this was a good idea? Those firms and the "monkeys" they hire have an incentive to send takedowns everywhere to make it look like they are "doing something".

But since there are no consequences for sending them to the wrong places, I guess they don't care much.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Not the first time they've taken down Github repos, some with a legal basis (partial problem text, though Fair Use might overrule that if the cases ever made it to court), others with no involvement at all ( https://github.com/egfx/React-Leaderboard still hasn't been restored, for example) More information about previous DMCA abuse here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29239594 Personally, I would not trust a co…

Hackerrank is one of the most unscrupulous companies I have seen. I honestly dont understand how anyone is capable of doing business with them. My own personal experience with them as been bad. I had applied a few years ago to be a part of their intern team, I have received emails scheduling my interview with them and then they eventually ignored me.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Hello again, Vivek, founder/CEO here. In the interest of moving swiftly, here are the actions we are going to take: (1) We have withdrawn the DMCA notice for sympy; Sent a note to senior leadership in Github to act on this quickly. (2) We have stopped the whole DMCA process for now and working on internal guidelines of what constitutes a real violation so that these kind of incidents don't happen. We are going to do…

Nice I suppose these were the pointers given to you by your PR team? What prompted (2) after all this time, considering there are previous instances of HackerRank acting hostile?

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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post #159

Hello again, Vivek, founder/CEO here. In the interest of moving swiftly, here are the actions we are going to take: (1) We have withdrawn the DMCA notice for sympy; Sent a note to senior leadership in Github to act on this quickly. (2) We have stopped the whole DMCA process for now and working on internal guidelines of what constitutes a real violation so that these kind of incidents don't happen. We are going to do…

Repentance was the last thing I expected to find in here, and it did go a long way towards lowering my blood pressure. Please don’t ever use DMCA in this way again. Even if it were somehow borderline justifiable, your users will be motivated to lambaste your company into oblivion, and to wish non-existence upon your company. Probably not the best posture for anybody concerned. I hope other companies take note as well…

Mate its not repentance, its just his PR team.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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I flat out refuse to be interviewed using it and if the company doesn’t drop the requirement, I drop them.

Same here, know lots of developers in the same boat.

HackerRank - the #1 way to find developers with zero self respect

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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post #151

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Part of the DMCA takedown process is: > A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed. Has this penalty ever been enforced?

DMCA 512(f) provides a penalty for misrepresentation; however, it is quite difficult to actually prove such things unless the plaintiff is very, very stupid (in Latin: pro se ) or obviously acting with malice. For example, if the thing you're taking down does use your content, but it falls under fair use, you can still get away with taking it down. There is no objective test for fair use and 512(f) does not mandate o…

Well, quoting u/formerly_proven from a 5 month old thread that someone linked above:

>Literally claiming copyright on this description for "find substring": "Given s and x, we want to know the zero-based index of the first occurrence of x in s" //

This is a functional description which has very limited possible English language forms and so it's highly unlikely to qualify for copyright in the first place. Anyone who has enough knowledge to file a DMCA request that is looking at this would consider that it is at worst Fair Use but in all probability is not infringing.

Seems a very strong case, if this quote is a true representation, for a claim of vexatious action.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading elsewhere in the thread it looks like they have been relying on firms in Pakistan and elsewhere to scour the internet for strings that appear in Hacker Rank and submit DMCA takedowns when they find these strings elsewhere. This becomes awkward when it is in fact Hacker Rank that copied the strings from the source they are DMCAing. They should probably never send a DMCA again. It's political suicide in this in…

>Reading elsewhere in the thread it looks like they have been relying on firms in Pakistan and elsewhere to scour the internet for strings that appear in Hacker Rank and submit DMCA takedowns when they find these strings elsewhere. Who ever thought this was a good idea? Those firms and the "monkeys" they hire have an incentive to send takedowns everywhere to make it look like they are "doing something". But since the…

Except hitting HN frontpage

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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I’m curious - why even bother? What will you do if someone torrents the solutions? Focus on figuring out another solution. Leetcode for instance puts the solutions out there.

It's not an either or. We need to do the takedown AND figure out a way where we can do things like randomizing questions but preserving the integrity of it to ensure a fair evaluation, etc.

For content you copied to begin with????

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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post #284
post #159

Hello again, Vivek, founder/CEO here. In the interest of moving swiftly, here are the actions we are going to take: (1) We have withdrawn the DMCA notice for sympy; Sent a note to senior leadership in Github to act on this quickly. (2) We have stopped the whole DMCA process for now and working on internal guidelines of what constitutes a real violation so that these kind of incidents don't happen. We are going to do…

Nice I suppose these were the pointers given to you by your PR team? What prompted (2) after all this time, considering there are previous instances of HackerRank acting hostile?

I presume making the first page of HN was the prompt.
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