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Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission

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Post by chinathrow »

cf141q5325 wrote: post #116

Well yes. Artillery bombardment is THE Russian military doctrine. Any uncertainty on the headline would mean assuming Russia had developed some unusual qualms on the subject. And why would they? It seems to me that among the moral outrage people kind of lost touch with reality. There is some basic facts, take it here from the German public broadcast >According to its president, Russia is seeking the "denazification"…

> Any sanctions left would be oil which the economy of most western countries likely cant stomach.

Oh yes we would be able to stomach that. Better we start right now. Rig up production of solar/wind/thermal energy at a war-scale level, deploy faster than anything else. Heck if not when, this is the time to become independent from oil producing dictatorships.

Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission

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Post by chinathrow »

HellDunkel wrote: post #266
cf141q5325 wrote: post #116

Well yes. Artillery bombardment is THE Russian military doctrine. Any uncertainty on the headline would mean assuming Russia had developed some unusual qualms on the subject. And why would they? It seems to me that among the moral outrage people kind of lost touch with reality. There is some basic facts, take it here from the German public broadcast >According to its president, Russia is seeking the "denazification"…

I disagree. There can and should be a Nato intervention. Maybe Ww3 is what follows next but that doesnt mean it will be a nuclear desaster. If we can send stingers we can send jets. If we can send jets we can send pilots. Step be step we can increase pressure. Putin is a strategic player, he is cold blooded not red headed.

> If we can send stingers we can send jets.

I am sure the Kremlin has a working back channel to the Pentagon these days.

https://twitter.com/PentagonPresSec/status/15013364457299681...

Threats were made, I am sure.

Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission

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Post by chinathrow »

dogma1138 wrote: post #275
zpeti wrote: post #80

It makes sense why Zelensky is desperately asking for fighter jets. As long as Russia doesn’t control the skies it will be difficult to bomb Kiev into submission. I hope the poles manage to get some jets to them.

Russia has moved S400 into the theater already 30 jets won’t be enough. It’s also not clear where they would be able to operate form since most airfields have been destroyed or damaged with long range missiles. It would delay the inevitable at most.

> It would delay the inevitable at most.

It would also send a signal that it's far from over.

Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission

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Post by chinathrow »

HellDunkel wrote: post #277
alkonaut wrote: post #148

The problem with the "if I can't conquer it, I'll just level it" offense, is that there is very little defense. Everyone is talking about how difficult it is to invade cities. But it's trivial to destroy cities if you have no regard for civilian casualties. The problem now is that the world can't meaningfully intervene because we didn't say beforehand that we would. We should have set up the no-fly zone with western…

If we had set up the nofly zone beforehand that would have been a welcome invitation for putin. Now that he has broken every international law these playbook rules are meaningless.

> If we had set up the nofly zone beforehand that would have been a welcome invitation for putin.

He did not need an invitation, after all, right?

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Post by dang »

glogla wrote: post #185
vogre wrote: post #179

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You can't post like this to HN. I realize feelings are strong right now. At the same time, you have a history of breaking the site guidelines and we've had to warn you about this repeatedly in the past, so it isn't just about this war.

Attacking another user like that is obviously a bannable offence, but I'm not going to ban you for it right now. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to HN's rules, though, or we will end up having to.

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Post by HellDunkel »

chinathrow wrote: post #282
HellDunkel wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. There can and should be a Nato intervention. Maybe Ww3 is what follows next but that doesnt mean it will be a nuclear desaster. If we can send stingers we can send jets. If we can send jets we can send pilots. Step be step we can increase pressure. Putin is a strategic player, he is cold blooded not red headed.

> If we can send stingers we can send jets. I am sure the Kremlin has a working back channel to the Pentagon these days. https://twitter.com/PentagonPresSec/status/15013364457299681... Threats were made, I am sure.

I’d say the EU intervened. I may be wrong but my mindset refuses to succumb to fear and putins psychological pressure.

Lets admit we have no clue what is going on behind the scene.

Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission

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Post by HellDunkel »

chinathrow wrote: post #284
HellDunkel wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we had set up the nofly zone beforehand that would have been a welcome invitation for putin. Now that he has broken every international law these playbook rules are meaningless.

> If we had set up the nofly zone beforehand that would have been a welcome invitation for putin. He did not need an invitation, after all, right?

Obviously he did not need an invitation to make a gigantic mistake. This mistake would have been ours as well.
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