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U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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> This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? This question is hard to understand. You don't know why competing militaries would behave this way? The OP doesn't discuss trust; it informs you about such activity and the US militaries desire to counter it. Should they do nothing? Do you think China and Russia will stop i…

Russia and China were willing to sign treaties with the US to prevent this. Historically they do abide by them. The US refused repeatedly because the US is fundamentally aiming for absolute dominance militarily.

Could you provide some evidence of this? I read a lot of foreign policy and have never heard of it.

Russia and China behave the same way with many countries. Russia even controls parts of Ukraine and Georgia, and threatens Ukraine with invasion at the moment. China does it with Japan, the Philippines, and India, off the top of my head.

The US never does it with their neighbors, and in fact many other countries welcome the US military to operate from their territory. The idea of Russia and China as innocent victims is quite a stretch!

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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They get close to take detailed pictures to understand capabilities.

I'm pretty sure satellites can take detailed photos from a distance.

It's certainly a lot more challenging when the relative velocities are high. You're precluded from using long exposures, and resolution will be limited. Getting close (similar orbits) is going to yield much better results, no?

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I am starting to feel weird about this mentality, I.e.: If someone is capable of attacking us, they are most likely already planning to attack us, and we must plan to attack "first". (Implied in "stand-up to China, as if US were already being put down...) I mean, I was born and raised in China, CCP does not manage to install such mentality into adult Chinese. I never see anyone who say "we have to prepare to strike f…

China's foreign policy has become very aggressive and the CCP fosters intense nationalism domestically (maybe after you left?). Look up 'wolf diplomats', for example.

> CCP fosters intense nationalism domestically (maybe after you left?)

I am pretty sure that the domestic propaganda is not too different from what it used to be.

When a nation grow strong, it naturally demands more space for its realm. And they are learning new skills to push back the things they used to feel incapable of (like China seems starting to cultivate an alternative theory on democracy). Also, you have to understand, any ambitious politician in China understand the immense power if the nationalism is used properly.

Imagine a nation back to its pinnacle in the Han and Tang dynasty, that's hugely attractive, and also to the people...

The issue the US media sees, it's essentially that China does not put herself as a subordinate of the US dominant international hierarchy.

If you think in that way, the wolf diplomacy is just normal tic to tac between two rivalry nations. And in fact, each instance of so-called wolf diplomacy action was never proactive. It was always some random Western guy or media provoked previously dormant issues, and the Chinese have to react...

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Russia and China were willing to sign treaties with the US to prevent this. Historically they do abide by them. The US refused repeatedly because the US is fundamentally aiming for absolute dominance militarily.

Could you provide some evidence of this? I read a lot of foreign policy and have never heard of it. Russia and China behave the same way with many countries. Russia even controls parts of Ukraine and Georgia, and threatens Ukraine with invasion at the moment. China does it with Japan, the Philippines, and India, off the top of my head. The US never does it with their neighbors, and in fact many other countries welcom…

The US never does it with their neighbors because every single US neighbor is dominated and subservient, and the US already invaded more than it can use. The US absolutely did it to Cuba and various Latin American country and did it to Iraq, Syria, etc...

The proposed treaty is called the PAROS treaty and was proposed by Russia in 2008 officially as a draft. The US never gave it any suit and was actively hostile to the subject. https://www.nti.org/education-center/treaties-and-regimes/pr...

China is not threatening the invasion of India, the Philippines, or Japan. There are relatively small disputes of uninhabited territory, with the exception of Tawang with a population of 11 000 in India. You may as well say that the US is threatening to invade Canada because of disputes in the Arctic. I'm exaggerating, but only slightly.

Yes, Russia is threatening Ukraine with invasion. But this is not coming in a vacuum. Russia, in a vacuum, has nothing to gain from invading Ukraine, far from it. The reason why Russia has designs for Russia is because:

A) Ukraine has a border with Russia B) Ukraine discussed joining NATO C) NATO is attempting to encircle Russia D) Russia is very weak strategically on the Ukrainian and Georgian border E) NATO accession is impossible if there is a current conflict

Therefore, Russia will be threatening Ukraine as long as Ukraine has ambitions of joining NATO. It's not because Russia wants Ukrainian resources, it's fundamentally because Russia is afraid of being flanked by a hostile foreign alliance. From their point of view this is perfectly rational, you see the US withdrawing from the ABM treaty and building dozens of weapons systems to try to disable nuclear deterrence, trying as much as possible to deny air defenses and gain the capability to strike deep within Russia, and setting up all these systems that threaten the balance of power right next to Russia, then trying to creep up to the most vulnerable positions of Russia. It's completely logical to seek a neutral buffer state, and if that's impossible, to create a natural obstacle.

Throwing morals out of the window, it would be stupid to expect anything else. Russia never threatened Ukraine with invasion as long as Ukraine did not threaten to join NATO. If we want Russia to stop threatening Ukraine, then we have to stop the NATO threat of invading or blockading or otherwise crippling Russia militarily. The West would actually be pretty happy with more Russian adventures in Ukraine, it weakens their economy and scares off more countries into the EU camp, while giving excuses for sanctions and allows the US to take over some sectors.

The point is, no one is an innocent victim. Russia and China are happy to de-escalate and avoid arms races, as is made evident by the low military spending in China and the efforts to pursue asymmetric competition in Russia. It's just that the United States doesn't want to avoid an arms race. The US wants an arms race in space, because Russia is poor and will struggle competing, and China is trying to avoid spending too much on their military right now. So this is a domain where the US is seeking to buildup a commanding lead, and because of this the US is very happy with an arms race. That is, so long as the Chinese and Russians do not exceed US expectations, which they have a nasty habit of doing right now, and that the US military budget is constantly increasing, which is the purpose of this headline.

I think that the foreign policy you read is simply very biased towards the US and far from neutral. If you haven't heard about the 30 years of constant proposals by Russia to demilitarize space, I really don't know what to tell you. It's a massive oversight. The US loves arms races in space, always has, and this is not the first rodeo of the US avoiding armament treaties or withdrawing and trying to cause arms races. It's in the interest of the US so far.

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ICBMs by definition go to space, the B stands for Ballistic. FOB systems aren't ballistic either (that B stands for Bombardment), but still go to space and Brilliant Pebbles is designed to intercept missiles during the initial boost phase, so it would work against FOB systems too. Brilliant Pebbles, once in place, can stop any satellite launch, including those intended to trigger the Kessler syndrome. Of course, Russ…

I thought brilliant pebbles was long cancelled?

Interesting take by one of the SDI/Brilliant Pebbles architects pitching Starlink http://highfrontier.org/january-8-2019-brilliant-pebbles-is-...

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It's kind of creepy how you're implying that the fact the CCP created a massive and intrusive system for controlling what information has access to is a reaction to Western propaganda, and not, like, a textbook power grab that we've seen from every other totalitarian regime in the 20th century.

You're seeing selection bias. The regimes that didn't implement strong censorship and the like invariably fell to hostile action. So of course it's going to become textbook, otherwise you end up like the CNT FAI, or Mossadegh, or Allende, or Sankara, etc... There is a pretty clear pattern that does who don't use censorship end up killed and those that do survive much longer.

Mossadegh and Allende were deposed in coups because of lack of censorship??!!

That is a hot take!

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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You're seeing selection bias. The regimes that didn't implement strong censorship and the like invariably fell to hostile action. So of course it's going to become textbook, otherwise you end up like the CNT FAI, or Mossadegh, or Allende, or Sankara, etc... There is a pretty clear pattern that does who don't use censorship end up killed and those that do survive much longer.

Mossadegh and Allende were deposed in coups because of lack of censorship??!! That is a hot take!

A general lack of authoritarianism made the coups much easier.

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>>>I don't think temporarily stopping us from spying on them justifies potentially killing people Interestingly enough, Trump took the same position when the Iranians shot down an expensive spy drone, and Trump called off the punitive strike against Iran that would have killed ~150 people. Yet people maintained that he was an unstable warmonger. shrug https://www.npr.org/2019/06/21/734683701/trump-reportedly-or...

Because he also made decisions like removing the Presidential approval for CIA drone strikes, dropped the "Mother of All Bombs," sold masses of weapons to the Saudis while helping them kill Yemenis, and many more acts. That he claimed to have stopped one strike doesn't change his record, though his overall record was similar to other recent presidents.

>>>his overall record was similar to other recent presidents

That's kinda my point, he wasn't significantly different from the other idiots we've had in office but CNN et al. certainly didn't spend 8 years calling Obama an unhinged tyrant, despite him also being more of the same with regards to bombing brown countries.

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It is not completely fucked. You can only reliably retain that which you can defend. Fighting demands discipline and extremes of performance. Martial arts and dance play similar roles for children for good reason.

"You can only reliably retain that which you can defend." leads to "The best defense is a good offense" leads to proactive military interventionism policy like the invasion of Iraq because "Saddam is a threat". Did anyone in the US seriously feel that they were in danger of losing something in America to Saddam? Does anyone actually think today that China is going to invade and occupy the US? Not saying NOBODY in the…

As a young gay man I got so much practice at avoiding rocks and other objects thrown at me that when dodge ball came up at school I was almost impossible to hit. This might have been a kind of victory, but being unable to hit others with projectiles means I was unable to claim victory and ended up being even more of a freak in everyone's eyes and thus even more of a target.

Now I am in my mid fifties and the accumulated assaults on my person have given me an immense amount of combat experience. It makes me sad that you are so unable to come to terms with the intense violence that is pervasive in your society. Perhaps you can work out your anger toward preparedness by throwing rocks at people.

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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It's kind of creepy how you're implying that the fact the CCP created a massive and intrusive system for controlling what information has access to is a reaction to Western propaganda, and not, like, a textbook power grab that we've seen from every other totalitarian regime in the 20th century.

That's not what I'm implying at all. I'm saying Western propaganda is so thick and widespread only absolute totalitarian regimes can control it, otherwise it reaches everywhere and we're all brain-washed by it. There is no denying the CCP is a totalitarian regime.

I mean, I guess you have a point from a certain perspective, but that sounds a lot like the mindset of a cult.

"Widespread propaganda that the entire world believes except for the select few that live in a tightly controlled bubble where anybody who speaks out is violently silenced" has a lot of common properties with "things that are true".

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