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An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content Scanning Technology

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Post by ls65536 »

judge2020 wrote: post #214
ls65536 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose one important distinction here, if this makes any difference, is that drugs and weapons (to use your examples) are physical items, and these could arguably cause harm to people downstream, including to the postal system itself and to those working in it. In contrast, photos, text, written letters, and the transmissions of such are merely information and arguably not dangerous in this context (unless one is…

The proliferation of CSAM is extremely harmful to the victims in the photos and more people seeing them might encourage more CSAM production in general.

I suppose I should clarify my point that I was referring to those dangerous items in the mail in the sense of their capacity to directly cause physical harm to those handling or receiving them, rather than in the more general sense of the societal effects of their proliferation, which is something else altogether (to your point).

To be clear, I'm not disagreeing with you in regards to the harm caused in the specific case of CSAM, but I can't help but see this as a slippery slope into having the ability in the future to label and act on other kinds of information detected as objectionable (and by whom one must also ask), which is itself incredibly harmful to privacy and to a functioning free society.

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Post by robertoandred »

garmaine wrote: post #65
donkeyd wrote: post #4

I recently listened to a Darknet Diaries episode on messaging app Kik. This app is apparently being used by many people to trade child pornography. In this episode, there was some criticism expressed on how Kik doesn't scan all the images on their platform for child pornography. I would really like to hear from people who sign this open letter, how they think about this. Should the internet be a free for all place wi…

I don't want to be arrested by the FBI and my life ruined because my daughter, who is 6 and doesn't know any better, takes a selfie with my phone while she happens to be undressed/changing clothes and the photo automatically syncs to the cloud.

You won’t. Understand what this is instead of falling for the hysteria.

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Post by voakbasda »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #100
Cenk wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first quote says it happens to “all photos stored […] on a user’s iPhone”. The second quote clarifies that it only happens to photos that are going to be uploaded to iCloud Photos, and that the scan is performed before the upload happens.

Man. Sometimes English is an imprecise language. I guess the second quote I posted doesn't preclude scanning all photos. It would be a weird use of wording, but if all photos were scanned all the time, then technically that sentence would still be correct. I'm not 100% sure if this is about the on-device portion of this. Gmail and OneDrive already use this (and have for the better part of a decade) and I haven't seen…

The difference is choice. You choose to upload your photos where you know they might be scanned. Not uploading them is a choice to keep them private. This destroys the very notion of sovereignty over your own data.

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Post by SirensOfTitan »

sneak wrote: post #256
ipodopt wrote: post #162

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The dell and lenovo laptops are nowhere the quality of the apple machines, sadly. I have a maxed out xps and it is a downgrade in all respects but privacy. :/

Yeah, I figured. When waiting for lsp autocompletes in emacs, my entry level M1 MacBook with no gccjit is orders of magnitudes faster than my almost maxed out Lenovo with emacs and GCCjit.

The difference is so stark that I cannot bear to autocomplete on type on the Lenovo machine, it lags too much and frequently locks up.

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Post by robertoandred »

mchusma wrote: post #264

People always use child porn as the backdoor excuse. Once they have the mechanism in place to censor and report content. They will for sure be requested to use this. For terrorism, hate speech, etc until it's so blurry until it's absolutely limitless :(

Can you give an example of a widely shared picture of hate speech that someone would keep in their online photo library?

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Post by fsflover »

ipodopt wrote: post #261
fsflover wrote: post #243

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This is quite interesting. I'm writing this on their Librem 15 and can't recommend it enough. No problems with booting or anything. Battery life got short with time (but I never cared about it). > Wifi had a range of maybe ten feet (not joking). Purism is using the only existing WiFi card that works with free firmware. It is less performant than typical proprietary ones. If you don't care about your freedom strongly,…

> Purism is using the only existing WiFi card that works with free firmware. It is less performant than typical proprietary ones. If you don't care about your freedom strongly, you can replace the card (they are very cheap on ebay). Also, check Purism forums for such questions. It works better than "ten feet" for me. Not the wifi card, the surround material like the chassis are attenuating the signal (the librem 14 s…

> I take it you have the v3 with the standard boot drive?

Yes, v3. What do you mean by "standard boot drive"? Using SSD if that's what you mean.

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Post by rahkiin »

I was thinking, what if they want to move their icloud photos to e2e without losing the csam scanning they already have. So they move it on-device, just for photos that would be uploaded to iCloud (which is what Apple claims)

I really just hope they revert this plan.

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Post by __afk__ »

bambax wrote: post #271
__afk__ wrote: post #247

I applaud Apple for this. It reaffirms the reasons why it's one of the few companies I feel strongly about. If you can't understand the logic of a decision like this, maybe you don't realize the mountain of suffering that is caused from people trading this material. I recommend listening to Sam Harris's podcast with Gabriel Dance (#213 - THE WORST EPIDEMIC) to get a better picture of the problem. The main beef people…

This system will only search for known images . If you make new images of child pornography, you're fine (or at least, you won't be flagged by this system). So this initiative does nothing to prevent child abuse.

I understand that. I recommend listening to the podcast if you want to understand the issue in more detail. It's a heavy subject but people here generally want to see both sides of an issue, and I am pretty confident that most people have not really taken in the untold damage this brings to the abuse victims and their families as they are continuously notified about past images of their abuse being found and circulated. Which is how this actually works.

I would be worried about a model predicting child sexual abuse content from unknown images but I am not in the least concerned with one that fingerprints known images.

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