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An Open Letter Against Apple's Privacy-Invasive Content Scanning Technology

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Should the internet be a free for all place without moderation? Yes!!!

I think different opinions are great. Just wanted to point out saying the internet should be moderated on the hacker news forums is surprising and funny.

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Please talk to non-tech people around you about this. This overreach simply cannot stand, and from a company that sees success from touting itself as a privacy-centric alternative? These really are some dark times. I imagine that if the world had Stasi fresher in its mind, this would never have happened.

Talking about this with non-tech people might make the distrust in anything they don’t understand worse. Think vaccines.

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I think there is a very deep and troublesome philosophical issue here. Ceci n'est pas une pipe. A picture of child abuse /is not/ child abuse. Let me ask you a counter-question. If I am able to draw child pornography so realistically that you couldn't easily tell, am I committing a crime by drawing?

Yikes, do not engage in a defense of child pornography in these types of arguments. The opposition is gunning for that.

I'm not defending any specific point of view. I'm merely pointing out a problem of map-territory conflation.

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I recently listened to a Darknet Diaries episode on messaging app Kik. This app is apparently being used by many people to trade child pornography. In this episode, there was some criticism expressed on how Kik doesn't scan all the images on their platform for child pornography. I would really like to hear from people who sign this open letter, how they think about this. Should the internet be a free for all place wi…

The boundary should be that user generated personal data that is on a user device should stay personal on a user device unless explicit consent is otherwise given. That's it. The argument is always well "don't you want to save the children" to which I give this example.

In the USA guns are pretty freely available, relative to other countries. There is a huge amount of gun violence (including shooting at schools targeting children) yet every time major gun restriction legislation is introduced it fails, with one major reason being the 2nd amendment of the US constitution. This could again be amended, but sufficient support is not there for this to occur. What does this say about the US?

They have determined, as a society, that the value of their rights is worth more than all the deaths, injuries and pains caused by gun violence. A similar argument can be made regarding surveillance and child porn, or really any other type of criminal activity.

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I recently listened to a Darknet Diaries episode on messaging app Kik. This app is apparently being used by many people to trade child pornography. In this episode, there was some criticism expressed on how Kik doesn't scan all the images on their platform for child pornography. I would really like to hear from people who sign this open letter, how they think about this. Should the internet be a free for all place wi…

Many people share photos of child pornography via the mail. There has been criticism that the USPS does not open all mail and scan them for child pornography. I would really like to hear from people who do not sign this letter how they think about that.

I think it would be horrible if they opened all mail... However, if they had a system that could detect CSAM in unopened mail with an extremely low false negative rate, then I'd be fine with it.

With many packages this already happens in the search for drugs and weapons and I have no problem with that either.

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Please talk to non-tech people around you about this. This overreach simply cannot stand, and from a company that sees success from touting itself as a privacy-centric alternative? These really are some dark times. I imagine that if the world had Stasi fresher in its mind, this would never have happened.

Anyone who engaged in such a discussion with a non-technical person is going to defacto seem like an advocate for child pornography, similar to how advocating for encryption can easily be twisted to being pro-crime. Having said that, there is an enormous amount of misinformation and fear-mongering about a pretty tame change. This seems like so much ado about very close to nothing. a) They optionally scan messaged pho…

They were already doing it on the cloud:

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2020/01/09/apples-scanning-...

So now they’re doing it on device too. This feels like it’s putting in place the foundation to scan all offline content.

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Why do people still think they have _any_ power over user-hostile corporations and its proprietary code? Apple can (and likely will) say they won't do it and then do it anyway. It's a proprietary platform. They already have it, now. All they are claiming is an excuse not to be caught in a certain way they wouldn't like at a later point.

And it's only a fraction of ubiquitous inverted totalitarianism that pervades modern life. If powerful people decide they don't like you, they have the power to exploit your content, shutoff your access to everything containing software, and, in some cases, have you arrested because they also buy the influence of politicians. Kleptocracy. Plutocracy.

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Isn’t this just wrong? “ Apple's proposed technology works by continuously monitoring all photos stored or shared on a user's iPhone, iPad or Mac, and notifying the authorities if a certain number of objectionable photos is detected.” From: https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/Expanded_Protections_... “ Before an image is stored in iCloud Photos, an on-device matching process is performed for that image against the…

I don’t see where in the first quotation it says that the scanning takes place after iCloud upload. It just says monitoring.

The first quote says it happens to “all photos stored […] on a user’s iPhone”. The second quote clarifies that it only happens to photos that are going to be uploaded to iCloud Photos, and that the scan is performed before the upload happens.
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