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Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by least »

nbzso wrote: post #230

I have a controversial theory. Foolish design is everywhere. Look at web trends. No underlined links, no clear button distinction, childish color schemes and rounded corners everywhere. Apple UI/UX design is trend setter. They try to be cool and resonate with naive audiences. This is Design by Marketing. This is the result of corporations hiring cheap millennial designers without proper design foundations, ready to s…

What constitutes an adult color scheme for you? Why do rounded corners offend you? Are there examples of what you think are appropriately designed products or websites?

This sounds needlessly derisive.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by tomduncalf »

nailer wrote: post #260
tomduncalf wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that they have invested what must be an astronomical sum in moving Macs over to their own CPU architecture suggests otherwise. It’s probably more fair to say their vision for MacOS doesn’t align with what everyone would like? Personally I’m very happy with MacOS and think Big Sur is a great iteration, I really like the look and feel, and the attention to detail to UI that I find lacking in alternatives. But…

I think they need a platform for developers and macOS diehards. But fast forward 10 years macOS won’t exist.

You’re probably right, but that won’t happen until we can do all the things we care about on whatever the “one true platform” I don’t think. I believe Apple will always support “power users”, if just because they need to support developers, and their large audience of creatives using their machines.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by sbierwagen »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #74

I vehemently disagree that vertical space used is negligible. Due to standard aspect ratios, the vertical space of the display is at a premium. 1920*1080 means you have 840 less vertical pixels than horizontal - it makes a lot of sense to me to try to reclaim some of that space for actual content instead of widgets.

>1920*1080

Worse than that, high end PCs are going to ultrawide monitors. I'm on 3440x1440 right now, and 3840x1200/5120x1440 panels are dropping in price.

Of course, you almost never fullscreen a browser window on a monitor like that, but it is what the OS would default to.

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Post by freediver »

nikomen wrote: post #7

I’ve considered switching to Safari on my Mac because I had heard that it has stellar performance. However, with no support for uBlock Origin because of their incomplete implementation of the extensions API, and now these UI changes, it looks like I’ll stick with Firefox. I still plan to stay with my Mac because of the ecosystem. I’m one of the few who seems to actually like Windows 10. There are warts in Microsoft’s…

You can try Orion, which is based on a WebKit fork and has experimental support Chrome/Firefox extensions, including uBlock Origin.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by augstein »

Honestly, as a macOS power user, I love the new approach Apple is taking with Safari.

More vertical space is a win, especially with those wide screen displays that are getting more popular and lets be honest: Actions like reloading are best done by using keyboard shortcuts anyway, so having a more minimal UI is a win in my book.

The new feature, where Safari’s app chrome changes colour by taking the accent colour of the currently loaded website is just awesome and really brings the website you are currently visiting up one level closer.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by matwood »

0x0 wrote: post #262
jaredcwhite wrote: post #96

I don't have macOS 15 beta yet, but I'm running the Safari Technology Preview now on Big Sur which has most (all?) of the new UI changes. I love pretty much everything about it. It looks gorgeous. Tab Groups are incredible. The "address bar is in the tab" concept does take some getting used to and that's likely the area they'll tweak the most over the next few months. But overall, huge step forward in my book. Can't…

The new UI changes were introduced in tech preview 126, but that one is only available for macOS 12. The download page at https://developer.apple.com/safari/download/ says "macOS 11 - coming soon". I have tech preview 125 from earlier and no software updates are available in system preferences. So how do you have the new 126 UI changes on Big Sur already?

It was live briefly before being taken down.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by dmitriid »

snowwrestler wrote: post #163
grishka wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A simple question. Why change something that already works for everyone? To solve which problem exactly? I understand redesigning UIs when that redesign affords you some new capabilities for new features you want to add. I don't, however, understand redesigns that just move things around without adding anything new. Android 12 is the prime example of this right now. Android 11, which I currently have on my phone, wor…

I have the opposite question: why do people let themselves get upset over UI changes? Why don’t people seem to take pride in their ability to adapt to change? Change is inevitable. Even if we stipulate that change sometimes happens for bad reasons, like someone wanting a promotion, it’s not like bad reasons are suddenly going to disappear. People are still going to want promotions a year from now, or 10 years from no…

> Why not take the approach of “let’s see how I can adapt to this”?

Our computers (and phones) are not fashion. They are tools, they are commoditized.

Let's change everything every two years: you screws and screwdrivers, controls in your car (with everyting going touchscreen, that's exactly what we'll soon get), buttons in your elevators, plane controls, heart monitors...

See, how stupid "let's wait and adapt to this" sounds?

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by eddieh »

tambourine_man wrote: post #21
defaultname wrote: post #11

Linked article refers to the changes in Safari as "thoughtless UI", which is a fairly common argument used against changes that people don't like. Against Apple, Microsoft, WinAmp, Reddit, etc. But let's be fair and note that there quite certainly a lot of very proud, considerate, intentional designers and developers who are behind this change. People who probably put thousands (millions?) multiples of "thought" in c…

> …yet they're presented as if they're objective truths. Readability is objective. It can be measured. They keep bending themselves backwards to get out of a problem they inflicted upon themselves. A web browser should be readable first.

You're right. I can not fathom anyone trying to argue that readability is subjective. I guess some people will argue any point.
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