It's worth remembering, that Pfizer got to distribute vaccines on special terms that indemnified it from any liability.
Pfizer has a long history of criminal behavior. This was written in 2010.
Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
The answer is a Phase IV clinical trial, which a number of vaccines have undergone post-approval and I suspect the COVID-19 vaccines will as well.
Does the fact that the major vaccine vendors are encouraging placebo recipients to be notified about their receipt of a placebo, plus encouragement that they go get the vaccine affect your confidence in the trial process for this vaccine? https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430... “According to Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, interim analyses after approximately 2 months of follow-up suggest their v…
Honestly? No. In the face of a major pandemic, and with the size of the clinical trials and the effectiveness of the vaccines, the ethical obligations to the patients in the trial to unblind the results to get the participants vaccinated is pretty paramount.
There are somewhat more exotic studies designs that can be used for post-unblinding monitoring work that meet the ethical obligations to the participants.
But it's a good question.
Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
#283Can the government present anything in a useful manner? The most important information, i.e. if the young men engaged in heavy sports right after getting the vaccine, is missing. Heavy sports is obviously also dangerous while recovering from the flu. But the disorganized chaotic government presentation doesn't give any useful information.
Isn’t this just your own pet conjecture though and you’re condemning them for not including it? After a quick google I can’t find anything about it being dangerous for young men to practice heavy sports with the flu.
Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry to hear about all that. I know it can be incredibly anxiety-inducing having any heart related issues, particularly at a young age when it's the last thing on your mind. Frustratingly, it sounds like you've done everything you can. The ECG is extremely sensitive to any change in heart function so that's positive if it's showing normal results (was the only indicator for me - other than an MRI). Obviously you're…
It's not belittling; I was considering much the same. My conclusion is that I definitely had anxiety during all those episodes, and the anxiety made the symptoms worse to some extent. My first panic attacks I ever experienced were caused by the symptoms early on when I had no evidence this was going to become chronic and relatively benign. I would be relieved if I could explain away my symptoms as mere hypochondria o…
It might be worth going to a gastroenterologist to check on acid reflux. I was in a similar boat a couple years ago. Sharp chest pains out of nowhere. Heart stuff was ruled out by a cardiologist. I then had an endoscopy which confirmed something was out of whack with the sphincter between my esophagus and stomach, causing strong heartburn. After taking some heavy acid reducers for a few months, it managed to heal up and has been fine ever since. I can relate to the anxiety though. It was pretty intense at times and I had trouble sleeping or focusing on anything else. Hang in there.
Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m listening to the livestream on Bret Weinstein’s channel and they are discussing data that states the opposite including data that shows a concentration in the ovaries.
I'm listening to the same podcast. The source was Pfizer data obtained via FOIA request, it was a Japanese study I think. edit: this one: https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf Here's the data in a plot: https://trialsitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Ovaries...
At first glance that plot made me curious, but if you look at the raw data in the pdf, you can clearly see that whoever made the plot was trying to scare people.
They correctly plotted the total lipid concentration for a lot of things, including the ovaries (which stand out on the plot) but completely ignored the injection site (which might be reasonable, but gives a sense of scale), the adrenal glands (which have around the same content as the ovaries), liver (roughly double ), the spleen (a bit more than double).
I'm having a difficult time taking these omissions as anything other than an attempt to spread fear. As a non-expert in biology it seems reasonable that a lot of an injection into my body should ultimately end up in my liver and spleen. The attempt to obscure this probably-natural result (and instead focus on ovaries) is strange.
Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
> everyone you come into contact with to take that same risk how come so if those "everyone" got vaccinated? I mean all the risk groups who has clearly higher risk from covid than vaccine should definitely go for vaccine. The rest - personal choice of risk. And as a healthy 49 years old, i'm taking my chance with covid and have no plans for vaccination (i was always laughing at anti-vaxxers, yet seeing all misinforma…
> And as a healthy 49 years old, i'm taking my chance with covid and have no plans for vaccination so you would rather be at between a 1 in 500 and a 1 in 250 risk of dying in your age group + a much higher risk than that of some long covid symptoms that are debilitating/unknown if they will ever get better vs. a 1 in a 1,000,000 chance you get something that might be bad but is likely survivable... I don't understan…
Not OP but the chance of hospitalization in that age bracket is about 0.2% [0] There appears to be at least a 20% chance that post-vaccine someone of that age will feel rough enough to take medication [1].
People who are currently healthy choosing to avoid the risk of immediate short-term pain when presented with a small, remote gain seems like classic prospect theory!
[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/covid-19-us-hosp...
[1] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer...
Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I've done enough research to know what I'm talking about The standard practice is for those making the assertion to provide their references or data. Since you've done the research, can you please link any published and peer reviewed research establishing that the health risks from the vaccine are within two orders of magnitude of the health risks from the virus? Including morbidity, mortality, etc. > The smartest…
He is wrong to make such a claim without data. However, absense of evidence is not evidence of absense, either. The simple truth is that there hasnt been enough time to really understand the long term effects of covid, or the vaccine. Anyone claiming otherwise is simply lying.
I understand the long terms effects of death.
Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I've done enough research to know what I'm talking about The standard practice is for those making the assertion to provide their references or data. Since you've done the research, can you please link any published and peer reviewed research establishing that the health risks from the vaccine are within two orders of magnitude of the health risks from the virus? Including morbidity, mortality, etc. > The smartest…
He is wrong to make such a claim without data. However, absense of evidence is not evidence of absense, either. The simple truth is that there hasnt been enough time to really understand the long term effects of covid, or the vaccine. Anyone claiming otherwise is simply lying.
And no one understands the effects the Russell teapot orbiting Earth right now has on the human body, either.
Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
> (i was always laughing at anti-vaxxers, yet seeing all misinformation and propaganda (the smell of USSR strength propaganda is just overwhelming) around covid i think i'll pass this one) No, you weren't. A common false-flag ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag ) attack involves presenting oneself as a member of an opposing viewpoint in order to find adherents for the desired viewpoint. The tell is your use of…
Responding to skepticism with hostility does nothing except make you feel better. And further convince the skeptics that you're wrong. After all, if you'll try to tell them that their own lived experience is a lie, why should they believe anything you tell them?
> Responding to skepticism with hostility does nothing except make you feel better. And further convince the skeptics that you're wrong. After all, if you'll try to tell them that their own lived experience is a lie, why should they believe anything you tell them?
I hear you, though it's not an effort at convincing the OP employing manipulative communication.
It's an effort at highlighting the manipulation—with references—so that vulnerable readers are informed and inoculated against it. Unlike OP's comment, scientific skepticism simply seeks information, insight, and references in order to inform their own opinions rather than making assumptions on faith.
Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines
#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And as a healthy 49 years old, i'm taking my chance with covid and have no plans for vaccination so you would rather be at between a 1 in 500 and a 1 in 250 risk of dying in your age group + a much higher risk than that of some long covid symptoms that are debilitating/unknown if they will ever get better vs. a 1 in a 1,000,000 chance you get something that might be bad but is likely survivable... I don't understan…
Not OP but the chance of hospitalization in that age bracket is about 0.2% [0] There appears to be at least a 20% chance that post-vaccine someone of that age will feel rough enough to take medication [1]. People who are currently healthy choosing to avoid the risk of immediate short-term pain when presented with a small, remote gain seems like classic prospect theory! [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/…
20% chance of feeling rough enough to take medication does not seem much higher than the human average. Without comparing to placebo it is meaningless.