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Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by throwkeep »

JPKab wrote: post #94

My mother-in-law died 9 days ago, after being on life-support for 2 weeks. All following a sudden onset cardiac arrest 3 hours after getting her second Pfizer shot. She had a fever from the shot, was sitting in the living room watching a movie with family, and her heart suddenly stopped. She was healthy and in her early 60's. The medical team, after a week, concluded it was likely vaccine induced, and reported it to…

> That being said, the effort to prevent vaccine hesitancy has suppressed media reporting on these events, understandably.

This works with toddlers, but not with adults. Suppressing information ultimately leads to less trust, more hesitancy and more conspiracy theories (they were hiding X, what else are they hiding?). It'd be better if they would just be be transparent and upfront from the start.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by ailun »

tediousdemise wrote: post #226

I got J&J even after the negative coverage. It uses the same delivery method (a modified adenovirus) as the vaccine used in China, which has already been tested on billions of people. I was skeptical about the mRNA mechanism of action from the start. I wonder how much our lifespans will be reduced by these vaccines?

Which Chinese vaccine are you talking about? The two common ones are Sinovac and Sinopharm; neither uses a modified adenovirus. Also, neither of them have been taken by billions of people.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by 0-_-0 »

eganist wrote: post #174
drcross wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>which is what Covid binds to. You mean the SARS-2 spike protein binds to the ACE receptors. mRNA vaccines create the spike protein so it's going to work in exactly the same way as natural infection. Recent research from Japan is showing that the spike protein from vaccination is not staying at the injection site it can get into the blood stream (and causes blood clots as are widely reported), crossing the blood brai…

> I've done enough research to know what I'm talking about The standard practice is for those making the assertion to provide their references or data. Since you've done the research, can you please link any published and peer reviewed research establishing that the health risks from the vaccine are within two orders of magnitude of the health risks from the virus? Including morbidity, mortality, etc. > The smartest…

Might be referring to this study:

https://trialsitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Pfizer-...

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by JPKab »

throwkeep wrote: post #251
JPKab wrote: post #94

My mother-in-law died 9 days ago, after being on life-support for 2 weeks. All following a sudden onset cardiac arrest 3 hours after getting her second Pfizer shot. She had a fever from the shot, was sitting in the living room watching a movie with family, and her heart suddenly stopped. She was healthy and in her early 60's. The medical team, after a week, concluded it was likely vaccine induced, and reported it to…

> That being said, the effort to prevent vaccine hesitancy has suppressed media reporting on these events, understandably. This works with toddlers, but not with adults. Suppressing information ultimately leads to less trust, more hesitancy and more conspiracy theories (they were hiding X, what else are they hiding?). It'd be better if they would just be be transparent and upfront from the start.

I agree, but I understand why they are doing this. I think it's a counterproductive strategy, and dislike it. But I'm too tired of being pissed at this point to say much more on it. People in the US, at least, just don't seem to trust others to make good decisions, and this particularly goes for elite academics who dominate public health organizations and government. They treat us like toddlers because, in their minds, compared to them, we are.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by hnarn »

sudoaza wrote: post #37
_Microft wrote: post #6

The interesting table with absolute numbers is on page 18 of [0]. Expected and observed cases are cases of myocarditis / pericarditis here. Crude rate is the number of cases per 1 million administered doses. Use landscape mode if you are reading this from a mobile device, the table is narrow enough for that. Age group Doses Crude Expected Observed administ. rate cases cases 12–15 yrs 134,041 22.4 0–1 2 16–17 yrs 2,25…

That's about the same rate as clots in AstraZeneca's vaccine.

This feels like a pretty lazy anecdote to mention off hand without any context of how these two side effects compare in terms of lethality.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by JPKab »

myfavoritedog wrote: post #243
JPKab wrote: post #94

My mother-in-law died 9 days ago, after being on life-support for 2 weeks. All following a sudden onset cardiac arrest 3 hours after getting her second Pfizer shot. She had a fever from the shot, was sitting in the living room watching a movie with family, and her heart suddenly stopped. She was healthy and in her early 60's. The medical team, after a week, concluded it was likely vaccine induced, and reported it to…

Yep. I know of at least five stroke or adverse heart events in my social circle or one hop out, all had been vaccinated recently. Like you, I maintain that it’s still a lesser risk than COVID... but there seems to be a lot of media/political pushback to just acknowledging the possibility of vaccine problems.

There is also social pushback. I've had a few longtime friends who got angry with me for not remaining completely silent about this. They insist that it's just a coincidence, and since THEY got the shot and are OK, it must be safe, and I'm a horrible person for "spreading fear".

They aren't my friends anymore. I don't have room in my life for people who can't understand nuance or recognize their own cognitive dissonance.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by tediousdemise »

ailun wrote: post #252
tediousdemise wrote: post #226

I got J&J even after the negative coverage. It uses the same delivery method (a modified adenovirus) as the vaccine used in China, which has already been tested on billions of people. I was skeptical about the mRNA mechanism of action from the start. I wonder how much our lifespans will be reduced by these vaccines?

Which Chinese vaccine are you talking about? The two common ones are Sinovac and Sinopharm; neither uses a modified adenovirus. Also, neither of them have been taken by billions of people.

Apologies, I meant the CanSino vaccine. Russia's Sputnik vaccine also utilizes adenovirus and I regard Russia as having one of the world's finest medical institutions.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by sudosysgen »

oogabooga123 wrote: post #199
throwaway5752 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would "take your chances" (quotes because it's both rare and temporary according to the linked article) with the vaccine rather than risk infection with covid: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cog...

Very interesting! But I would rather just get infected. To each their own, I’m sure we can agree!

Deciding to get infected is not "to each their own". You will statistically get someone else sick and they might fare much worse than you. Be aware that you are not only deciding for yourself, but for others as well.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by eganist »

0-_-0 wrote: post #253
eganist wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've done enough research to know what I'm talking about The standard practice is for those making the assertion to provide their references or data. Since you've done the research, can you please link any published and peer reviewed research establishing that the health risks from the vaccine are within two orders of magnitude of the health risks from the virus? Including morbidity, mortality, etc. > The smartest…

Might be referring to this study: https://trialsitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Pfizer-...

I mean, reading the discussion/conclusion via google translate, this seems to be a study on metabolism of the vaccine? Open to being fact-checked, but this doesn't seem related.

In any case, the only statement I found on health effects in the discussion/conclusion was "No toxic findings indicating liver damage were found in the rat repeated-dose toxicity test ( M2.6.6.3 )." but I don't speak Japanese and I'm sure using Google Translate is a very ineffective way of parsing research.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by eganist »

trhway wrote: post #242
munificent wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a healthy 30 year old I would prefer to take my risk with covid than take these vaccines. Unfortunate that you're also unilaterally forcing everyone you come into contact with to take that same risk if you are infected without realizing it.

> everyone you come into contact with to take that same risk how come so if those "everyone" got vaccinated? I mean all the risk groups who has clearly higher risk from covid than vaccine should definitely go for vaccine. The rest - personal choice of risk. And as a healthy 49 years old, i'm taking my chance with covid and have no plans for vaccination (i was always laughing at anti-vaxxers, yet seeing all misinforma…

> (i was always laughing at anti-vaxxers, yet seeing all misinformation and propaganda (the smell of USSR strength propaganda is just overwhelming) around covid i think i'll pass this one)

No, you weren't. A common false-flag (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag) attack involves presenting oneself as a member of an opposing viewpoint in order to find adherents for the desired viewpoint.

The tell is your use of the words "misinformation" and "propaganda." People who tend to levy such claims also tend to share more of it: https://www.colorado.edu/today/2020/06/17/who-shares-most-fa... - "The paper, in the journal Human Communication Research, also found that people who lack trust in conventional media, and in one another, post misinformation more often."

I was always pro-vax, and that hasn't changed with this vaccine.

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