The rioters set fire to the bank. How is this okay. Regular people like you and I work at the bank and now their livelihoods could be lost. Violence begets more violence. I cannot sympathize with the rioters.
'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]
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#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
> you assume that I support all the exaggerated points above (none of them mine) Because you have never admitted censorship of Winnie the Pooh happened on Chinese social media. You kept questioning many of the evidence I provided (“if one can only read english sources it might be a little biased IMHO”, “I can not verify your claim since I don't play Kingdom Hearts”), or dismissing evidence as “trivia”. I don’t know i…
>Because you have never admitted censorship of Winnie the Pooh happened on Chinese social media. I never said that censorship never happened ever in the above discussion. Maybe it wasn't clear enough for you I apologise. I'm sorry if that's the interpretation in your mind. I encourage you to read the comments again. You would notice I never denied censorship happened in China either, in multiple places. I merely poin…
I also apologize for my overly confrontational approach. I mistook you as one of the wumaodang (fifty-cent party) who keeps denying and apologizing CCP behavior. (There is one such user with exactly this user name in some of the comments in this post.)
I just searched for 小熊维尼 and 小熊维 on bilibili, and got the same findings as this thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/China_irl/comments/m9vziq/%E5%AD%98...
Winnie-the-Pooh videos are clearly censored when you searched for 小熊维尼 (you only get generic Disney videos), but you can bypass the filter and find a few genuine Winnie-the-Pooh videos if you only search for 小熊维. The censorship is ongoing, even though not universal.
Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Because you have never admitted censorship of Winnie the Pooh happened on Chinese social media. I never said that censorship never happened ever in the above discussion. Maybe it wasn't clear enough for you I apologise. I'm sorry if that's the interpretation in your mind. I encourage you to read the comments again. You would notice I never denied censorship happened in China either, in multiple places. I merely poin…
I also apologize for my overly confrontational approach. I mistook you as one of the wumaodang (fifty-cent party) who keeps denying and apologizing CCP behavior. (There is one such user with exactly this user name in some of the comments in this post.) I just searched for 小熊维尼 and 小熊维 on bilibili, and got the same findings as this thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/China_irl/comments/m9vziq/%E5%AD%98... Winnie-the-Pooh…
I have no doubts that most platforms have censored these keywords for whatever bizarre reason and it's nothing new. I refer it as 'noise' because people may have the wrong impression that all products related to Winnie and the whole thought have been banned. It is a bit different from reality.
I don't like the idea of divisive labels such as wumao, gongzhi, fenqing (they are quite dated as well if you are old as me!) it will only reduce conversations to a low quality brawl. My view is as long as debates are open, rational, and logical, progressive thinking is preserved.
Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
Understood but what I'm taking home here is that you are taking a side to issues regarding the CCP and it's abuse of human rights as "ideological and grandiose meta rhetoric". You were more than happy to allow discussions of human rights abuses in America and elsewhere. I'm having trouble understanding why the CCP is restricted. Here's another CCP human rights related discussion you shut down. I can name more example…
Happy to. There's a form of sample bias that afflicts all users with partisan passions on a topic: it always feels like the mods are against you ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... ). Mostly people jump to this conclusion after noticing 2 or 3 (I won't embarrass anyone by saying 1) data points that they dislike ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... ). That isn…
okay I see where you are coming from. I will keep that in mind.
Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also apologize for my overly confrontational approach. I mistook you as one of the wumaodang (fifty-cent party) who keeps denying and apologizing CCP behavior. (There is one such user with exactly this user name in some of the comments in this post.) I just searched for 小熊维尼 and 小熊维 on bilibili, and got the same findings as this thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/China_irl/comments/m9vziq/%E5%AD%98... Winnie-the-Pooh…
I have no doubts that most platforms have censored these keywords for whatever bizarre reason and it's nothing new. I refer it as 'noise' because people may have the wrong impression that all products related to Winnie and the whole thought have been banned. It is a bit different from reality. I don't like the idea of divisive labels such as wumao, gongzhi, fenqing (they are quite dated as well if you are old as me!)…
I disagree that incomplete censorship is noise. Any ban is a ban, even if incomplete. Trivializing and rationalizing CCP censorship acts is why it can keep censoring so many for so long.
(Case in point: H&M is just censored from all major platforms in China, including Apple Maps [0]. This is totally unacceptable in any free society, hence this article. If people think censorship like this is noise, that’s why you will see more censorship acts in the future.)
https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/winnie-the-pooh-china-ba... is an honest evaluation of cases where Winnie-the-Pooh is censored, and where it is not. This article still concludes Winnie-the-Pooh is censored (“China’s ban on that lovable fluff ball may indeed tighten”), despite many cases it is allowed.
Censorship is not binary. Saying “Winnie-the-Pooh is not censored” is misleading and dishonest, when it is clearly censored today on major video sites.
In a Time of Universal Deceit — Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act
[0] https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/26/22352357/h-m-western-bran...
Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have no doubts that most platforms have censored these keywords for whatever bizarre reason and it's nothing new. I refer it as 'noise' because people may have the wrong impression that all products related to Winnie and the whole thought have been banned. It is a bit different from reality. I don't like the idea of divisive labels such as wumao, gongzhi, fenqing (they are quite dated as well if you are old as me!)…
I disagree that incomplete censorship is noise. Any ban is a ban, even if incomplete. Trivializing and rationalizing CCP censorship acts is why it can keep censoring so many for so long. (Case in point: H&M is just censored from all major platforms in China, including Apple Maps [0]. This is totally unacceptable in any free society, hence this article. If people think censorship like this is noise, that’s why you wil…
Censorship is bad, no one is doubting that, the majority of chinese people would agree with you (and loathing as before). See the strong backlash from banning yyetss https://www.reuters.com/article/china-video-piracy-idINKBN2A...
However it is like you said it's not so binary. I think there are differences between censoring posts and banning a whole commercial theme. No one is doubting the former but anyone who doesn't understand China would think it's a dystopia if they hear the latter (which is clearly not true in my opinion). It is actually quite logical that Winnie won't be banned because of the popularity and a universal ban is not practical.
I didn't call it "noise" to play down censorship but in relative terms it is still trivial comparing to other concerning issues which are smothered by the amplification of sensationalism (IMHO). Simply ask any chinese person would they care if keywords of winnie are censored, and in comparison if MS word is banned. Such titles are more eye-catching than say 'the subtle difference in the agenda of the chinese congress' e.g
My hope of removing the 'relative noise' is to reveal real issues that affect actual majority of the chinese population and what they really care about. Focusing on sensationalised news just leads to more meaningless us/them argument.
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#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the US you have freedom of speech until you start to impact the status quo. See: McCarthyism, Fred Hampton, etc.
I didn't know anything about Fred Hampton, so I looked him up ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton ). I suppose his example highlights the difference between the US and China, as his family was paid $1.85 million for his death, which is probably still not what they have wanted, but an acknowledgement of government wrongdoing. When is the last time CCP acknowledged wrongdoing? McCarthyism offers another inte…
> When is the last time CCP acknowledged wrongdoing?
I don’t know what the last time was, but I know Deng Xiaoping famously described Mao as “70% good, 30% wrong”.
For me, a small payoff a decade later to the family of a victim of a political assassination doesn’t really amount to much. Again, the established order in the US is happy to apologize and tolerate dissent and preach “free speech” as long as its rule isn’t threatened.
It was illegal for union officers in the US to be communist party members up until unions lost their political strength. The Communist Control Act is still on the books but unenforced. Would it remain that way if in the next few years an ascendant communist party like the Black Panthers emerged? I doubt it.
> CCP persecution of pro-democracy
Do you have the slightest idea of how elections work in China? Compare the National People’s Congress to the US Senate. Which is more representative? Which has more minor parties?
> those who wish to practice a religion not endorsed by the CCP
Which religion are you referring to here? Islam? Is that why China has more mosques per capita for their Muslim population than the US?
Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]
#288The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…
People are saying this film is anti-China propaganda. I'd say it's pro because it shows the hopeless, illogical, ineffective, futility of HK looters and terrorists, and how deluded, manipulated and used they were.
That's what happens under a "Western system" running loose, is one message that HK could be helping to shape. China made 1 law, and order is restored. Yeah, I'd say it's pretty much pro for China, despite the incessant shrill whining of the terrorist wannabes.
Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
This sort of flamewar comment will get you banned here. It's obviously not what this site is supposed to be for. Grandiose meta rhetoric is particularly tedious. No more of this, please. Same with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26570724 and using HN for ideological/political battle generally. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Understood but what I'm taking home here is that you are taking a side to issues regarding the CCP and it's abuse of human rights as "ideological and grandiose meta rhetoric". You were more than happy to allow discussions of human rights abuses in America and elsewhere. I'm having trouble understanding why the CCP is restricted. Here's another CCP human rights related discussion you shut down. I can name more example…
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