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> Google's choice to bump these prices made me realize that they could do the same thing with their compute cloud pricing or other APIs, again with little notice. That, in turn, led to the realization that we needed to remove our reliance on Google's entire stack, and quickly, or we'd be in a terrible bargaining position later. Yes. You are right. The whole cloud deal is a try to rule out on premise infrastructure an…
If that happens I know of a few young companies who will step in and fill the void at a cheaper price.
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#282I've been working with web mapping for 15 years and I've never thought of saying it because it's never been true for hundreds of applications. Google Maps has always been the worst map client to integrate with. OpenLayers, leaflet, MapBox and myriads of alternative data sources, layers, behaviors and widgets are more suitable for custom applications.
Some people seem to love a particular Google layer, like parcels or businesses, but it never seemed vital unless they were trying replicate some Google Maps experience, in which case I would just advise to send a route or street view request directly to the Google Maps website or app, and be done with it.
The latest fad seems to be 3D terrain and 3D buildings. It's so amazing in the product demso, but the real world usefulness?
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#283I really want to use Apple Maps full time on my iPhone, just because of how much clutter Google Maps has accumulated on the screen. If anything tells me Google is losing the ability to innovate it's the newly added pill buttons for pre-set searches and branded POIs on the map. I remember when this was added to MapQuest circa 2010, and was the transition from trying to have an excellent mapping experience to just addi…
The AR button however is incredibly annoying as I seem to activate it by mistake a little too often.
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GMail is there mostly as a legacy of a time when Google had legit competition from portal sites like Yahoo and MSN. E-mail was an important part of that portal and GMail was a way to siphon some users.
You can make up as many fictional backstories as you want, but gmail was launched because signed-in users enjoy vastly better search quality and prior to gmail there was no reason to associate your identity with Google.
Is that view incorrect?
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#285I worked at a company that heavily used the maps API in 2018. The 1,400% price hike really was an eye opener. It wasn't just the money involved, which was large, but the fact that it came so suddenly and with so much magnitude. Google's choice to bump these prices made me realize that they could do the same thing with their compute cloud pricing or other APIs, again with little notice. That, in turn, led to the reali…
Google's fundamental relationship with users is statistical, and I think it shows. They're very good at optimizing metrics; their search, for example has remained the leader 20+ years on. In that world, if you lose a few users or give a bad experience, well, there are plenty more where those came from, and the ones who leave will often come back. I think they mistakenly bring that attitude to their consumer businesse…
In what way? It seems a bit like stone throwing to immediately toss another company into the conversation without providing some anecdote.
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Daydream is dead, just fyi
Reading this comment thread was a recordbreaking Google experience of ‘Daydream sounds cool’ to ‘they killed it’.
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#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Google's choice to bump these prices made me realize that they could do the same thing with their compute cloud pricing or other APIs, again with little notice. That, in turn, led to the realization that we needed to remove our reliance on Google's entire stack, and quickly, or we'd be in a terrible bargaining position later. Yes. You are right. The whole cloud deal is a try to rule out on premise infrastructure an…
I think there's a risk here but I'm not sure it goes as far as you suggest. There are still plenty of entities, particularly larger ones, that buy their own metal because at some scales it becomes far cheaper to run in a COLO (at least acc to near monthly articles posted on HN). I'd therefore put the risk that only big vendors will be able to buy hardware as low. That said, as ARM or custom chips gain market share wi…
Or they will be long gone due to google/aws/microsoft price dumping. In meanwhile, the openly accessible technology / know-how will be gone or hired by them and there will be no one left. Just look around, how many people you know that are capable of handling on-premise server? What about farm of servers without using any of google/aws/microsoft technology?
This just isn't something new.
It is just another case of "historia magistra vitae". We had this, 30-40 years back, we had centralized environment (have you heard about mainframes before?), due to huge price pumping the decentralized environment came in (personal computers, internet, on premise servers, storage, ...). IT needed almost 20 years to get out of the hooks of corporations and now we are all diving in into the latest "cool" thing - centralization, now backed up by advertising revenues and shady practices like not showing your company on google search.
This is not a joke: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_litigation
And you can bet the history repeats itself.
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Let me show you my point and where it is going, lets do a tiny experiment - use your router/firewall/whatever you are fond of and block the following ASNs:
AS40873,AS396982,AS395973,AS394639,AS394507,AS36492,AS36385,AS36384,AS36040,AS36039,
AS26910,AS26684,AS22859,AS22577,AS19527,AS16550,AS15169,AS13949,AS6432,
AS19448,AS16591,AS45566,AS43515,AS41264,AS394699,AS36987,AS139190,AS139070
then: AS16509,AS14618,AS7224,AS19047,AS395343,AS62785,AS58588,AS9059,AS8987,AS39111,AS38895,AS10124,AS264167,AS17493,AS135630
and: AS8075,AS8074,AS8073,AS8072,AS8071,AS8070,AS8069,AS8068,AS6584,AS63314,AS6291,AS6194,
AS6182,AS5761,AS45139,AS40066,AS397996,AS397466,AS396463,AS395851,AS395524,
AS395496,AS36006,AS3598,AS32476,AS31792,AS30575,AS30135,AS26222,AS25796,AS23468,
AS22692,AS20046,AS17345,AS14719,AS13811,AS13399,AS12076,AS35106,AS8812,AS200517,
AS58862,AS59067,AS52985
Now try to surf the internet. Casual style. As nothing happened.Baidu (China) and Yandex (Russia) will still work from search engines. Duckduckgo not (shame on you). As any other you know. "The internet" as you know it will stop to exist for you. You know what you have blocked with those ASNs? Only 3 companies. Google. Amazon. Microsoft.
For complete experience you can also throw in AS714,AS6185,AS2709 and AS63293,AS54115,AS32934 (Apple, Facebook), but those two are not really relevant.
Maybe this will be eye opening how much we have f* up the internet, something that should survive 3rd world war is now mostly in the hands of 3 companies. Now imagine they pull the switch.
Oh yeah, that bad it is.
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These two comments make me see SaaS more like paying rent for housing: If we become fully dependent on a service (shelter) and then the provider (landlord) jacks up the price, we may be quickly forced to switch services (homes) or be out of business (homeless).
I like this analogy. I think a good idea is to sign a long term (1 year to multiple years) contract with cloud providers.
Think about it, if the company has sysadmins that have been with the company for some years, have racked and are running most of their infrastructure, and all of a sudden they sign a long term contract with a cloud provider, why would they stay?
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#290I really want to use Apple Maps full time on my iPhone, just because of how much clutter Google Maps has accumulated on the screen. If anything tells me Google is losing the ability to innovate it's the newly added pill buttons for pre-set searches and branded POIs on the map. I remember when this was added to MapQuest circa 2010, and was the transition from trying to have an excellent mapping experience to just addi…
It’s incredibly clear from the outside that Google is an organizational mess that struggles to make product decisions and keep them. From the surprisingly bad UX of a lot of their services, to the random creation and destruction of services and apps. It all reeks of bad political infighting.
I think that explains a lot of their behaviour and why they're even shutting down seemingly successful (from a user's view) services - because they don't earn enough money.
Another big point is that to be successful at Google, you have to create new projects. Nobody gets promoted by maintaining existing projects. Also, it seems as if there's no communication between groups. So if a group gets reassigned or key people leave, their project (e.g. the umpteenth messenger app) gets sunset, too.
I don't think this is all political, but rather they're aimlessly throwing projects at the wall to see which stick.