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US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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A question to Europeans reading this- If you had to assume that U.S. 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to U.S. officials, and Chinese 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to Chinese officials, and Europeans had to use one or the other, which would you choose?

Due to the Current US Administration.. I would say European!

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> Telecom-equipment makers who sell products to carriers "are required by law to build into their hardware ways for authorities to access the networks for lawful purposes," but they "are also required to build equipment in such a way that the manufacturer can't get access without the consent of the network operator," the Journal wrote. I love this quote. The US is essentially complaining that Huawei has access to the…

>The US is essentially complaining that Huawei has access to the backdoor channels that only the US government was supposed to have. How is surprising? The defining characteristic of a nation state is that it has a monopoly on violence within its borders. Having a monopoly on intercepting telecom traffic is a logical consequence of that. For other countries though, yeah I'd prefer if neither China nor US have backdoo…

>The defining characteristic of a nation state is that it has a monopoly on violence within its borders.

That seem like a good reasons for people within US borders to prefer to be spied on by the Chinese government rather than the US government and for people within Chinese borders to prefer to be spied on by the US government rather than the Chinese government.

If I have to be spied on, I will choose whoever is less likely to subject me to violence.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is NSA a global law-enforcement agency? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa...

Completely depends on the abilities of the military which enforce the rule. Violence tends to be the way nations define rules outside their own borders.

Inside their own borders as well. States are creatures of violence. They are created by violence and require continuous violence to remain in existence.

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Your comment has nothing to do with what you replied to. It wasn't about what country is better.

True. I completely misread the comment to which I replied. Oops! However, my preference is still to live in a socialist country where the government can be openly criticized.

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A question to Europeans reading this- If you had to assume that U.S. 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to U.S. officials, and Chinese 5G equipment manufacturers would provide backdoors to Chinese officials, and Europeans had to use one or the other, which would you choose?

The answer is you choose the one which is the closer ally. Which, given the lack of US 5G manufacturers, is exactly the choice the US has already made.

I would probably choose the the opposite. My most likely state-actor adversary would be "my" government so I would prefer to not to make it easier for them to spy on me.

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I will continue to disagree, until you can show me that someone is being punished for the illegal actions, and that further steps are being taken to prevent such transgressions in the future. Today in America it is de facto legal for law enforcement to do this stuff. The fact that a piece of paper somewhere might say otherwise has no bearing on what's actually happening.

> 325 times between 2013 and 2015, cops and employees who misused databases “were fired, suspended or resigned.” https://www.computerworld.com/article/3124641/cops-run-unaut... > The act imposes some new limits on the bulk collection of telecommunication metadata on U.S. citizens by American intelligence agencies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act And shortly thereafter: > The National Security Agency (NSA…

You do make some good points there, but ultimately I don't buy it. The key thing is your citation of punishments for cops who "misused databases".

This isn't actually what's at issue here. The existence of law enforcement databases is a very different thing than the facility for spying on communications. And I still see no evidence that anyone has been punished for that, or that any active measures have been taken to protect abuses of those programs.

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Note: The following might be considered off-topic. On the otherhand, there might be something nefarious in the SMS network. I found something strange that affects SMS in Canada. You can send the lower case text "secure communication", but it will never be recieved by the recipient. I am not sure if this behavior is reproducible outside of Canada. It might be a software defect, or perhaps there is something capturing…

I will update my records tomorrow morning with anyones accounts so long as they are confident the text went over SMS. It seems that not everyone can reproduce this issue, so that might help narrow down where the issue likely is. Super busy now for a while...

I appreciate the time taken by the community to test this issue on their own devices and submit detailed results. I have updated the article with yesterdays submissions [1]. Please feel free to email me or comment on my blog. All comments on the blog require me to manually commit them to my GitHub repo which might take up to a day depending on how busy I am.

[1] https://bloggerbust.ca/post/text-messages-are-being-censored...

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Original source.

Will somebody with access to WSJ please corroborate this quote in OP which is attributed to WSJ?

> Telecom-equipment makers who sell products to carriers "are required by law to build into their hardware ways for authorities to access the networks for lawful purposes," but they "are also required to build equipment in such a way that the manufacturer can't get access without the consent of the network operator," the Journal wrote.

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Just tested via twilio to canadian cell phone and had no issues receiving it.

What client region was the twilio data center? What was the exact text sent? Are you comfortable to disclose the make / model of the receiving cell phone as well as its carrier service?

I just tested with twilio as well. I was able to send this string:

"secure communication"

from within the twilio API, via pure SMS (no imessage, etc.) to an iphone SE with a US Mobile (verizon MVNO) sim card.

Was sent from a US number to a US number.

No issues.

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Oh boy, the worst thing that will happen is that you might have to move a little ways down the street. Horrifying.

That is a naive view to look at a situation where an armed man is telling you at gunpoint to "move a little way down the street" with the implied ending to the statement being or I will shoot you, or forcibly remove you to an iron cage People always seem to forget, all government actions and regulations no matter how small are acts of violence. They are not voluntary and are backed by the threat of legal violence to…

I don't like the ridiculous idea of "free speech zones" but law enforcement does need to be able to move people who block streets or doorways. It should be independent of why the person is there. Of course they shouldn't shoot them.
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