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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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The only thing I have had to configure on the last two laptops I've installed is, weirdly, to go to sleep when I close the lid. The battery life on the X1 Carbon is about one and a half to two hours, which i think is acceptable given that the battery is reporting less than half of its original capacity.

If the battery is reporting less than half, wouldn't that also be something that really needs to be configured?

It's old, I got it used, and I haven't replaced the battery yet.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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The rest is just marketing. Apple is very good at Marketing. EDIT: Will someone explain what this theoretical 'non spec' thing that matters is? The Apple logo?

> EDIT: Will someone explain what this theoretical 'non spec' thing that matters is? The Apple logo? Mostly the OS. I don't cringe before plugging into an unfamiliar external display. The touchpad isn't so bad it makes me feel like I have to carry a mouse if I plan to use the device for any length of time. The built-in "office" suite of apps are my favorite I've used, anywhere. Preview is indispensable for working wi…

My answer would be pretty much the same. Although I prefer the fit and finish of Apple hardware, I could live with the hardware of a high-end laptop from another manufacturer. But I'm absolutely unwilling to give up MacOS in exchange for Windows or Linux (and I say that as someone who used Ubuntu for many years on the desktop).

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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> whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea. For those not familiar with the Apple Mouse, the commenter means that the power plug is on the part that you’re supposed to have on the mousepad, meaning you can’t charge it while using it, at all. Easily the worst way to design a mouse, ever. I don’t understand how it was approved.

I use the Apple Mouse on a daily basis. This criticism is blown way out of proportion. I agree that it's a very ridiculous placement, but do you have a better idea where it should be placed? IMO, this is the best option given the constraints. The usual ridicule is that you can't use it when it's charging. To me, it's a non-issue at all: - When the battery drops to a low level (4% I think?), you will see a notificatio…

I agree it's an edge case, but it's got to be infuriating if it used up its last bit of power before a presentation and you just have to wait there because they couldn't bear to make it look a tad less pretty.

Is there any other context in which Apple would tolerate an avoidable two minutes of wait time? Definitely not for their web pages!

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> but do you have a better idea where it should be placed? How about having a small notch at the front of the mouse, like every other mouse I've used? It can then be simultaneously wired, and usable. Maybe you're right that it's usually not frustrating, but I was trying to use this mouse at my office once and it wasn't charged, and it seemed pointless to wait before using it. > then plug it in before you get your cof…

> What if I don't want to test my mouse before coffee? What if I have urgent emails to answer? Plug it in once a month (when it's at ~50% or so) for an hour or two when you finish your day or go to lunch?

Yeah, I thought it was a huge, stupid mistake when I heard about it, until I was handed one at work. The charge lasts weeks, it's not like it runs down in a day or two. It's not a major problem.

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> tune and configure it to work You really don't have to do that. For example: I put Ubuntu Mate on a 2009 Macbook that could not run MacOs anymore (too slow). I had to install a wifi driver, and that was it. Everything else worked out of the box. My current Dell Inspiron 7000 laptop is running the same OS, and needed 0 drivers installed. I put Antergos on an Intel Nuc (that I later switched to Ubuntu Server). Again,…

If you don’t have to tune Linux to get it to work, then why does every single complaint about Linux’s battery life in laptops get met with “install TLP?” Of course Windows is shit in this respect too these days. I got two extra hours of battery life from my X1 Carbon by wiping the disk and installing Windows LTSB. But even then I still have to police things, watching for driver updates or software installs that rando…

> If you don’t have to tune Linux to get it to work, then why does every single complaint about Linux’s battery life in laptops get met with “install TLP?”

That's evidence that there exists something that Linux users recommend to people who complain about having battery problems on Linux, not evidence of widespread problems with Linux that require expertise to get the operating system to "work" at all.

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> but I just don’t have time to a.) tune and configure it to work and have decent battery life with whatever hardware I choose or b.) troubleshoot it when it randomly decides to break itself on update From my experience, troubleshooting macOS when it randomly decides to break is almost a Windows-like experience - lots of frustration and no sensible help on the internet (unless your problem is so trivial it gets solve…

For my workstation, no matter the OS, I’m going to revert what I did. If that doesn’t fix it, I’m going to format and restore with a backup. I have better things to do.

Or you can just use a proper linux distro that allows systemwide rollbacks like nixos.

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Apple Pencil 1 actually came with an adapter to charge it. I take it you've never used it before.

Right! This is one of my biggest peeves with anti-Apple complainers...there are a few legitimate complaints with some of Apple's current designs but this isn't one! Apple Pencil 2 wireless charging nonwithstanding, this is the better design. Plugging in to your iPad is much better than having to dig out a cable, plug it into the Pencil, plug the other end somewhere else. Just think when your Pencil dies, which is mor…

I've used the Magic Mouse, found the bottom charger to be a non-issue in practice because it stays charged pretty much forever anyway, and charges enough to get you back on your feet if you somehow let it run all the way down in just a minute or two.

Pencil 1's terrible, though. It's led to many a "oh I could use my Pencil for this... oh it's dead, yet again. I'll just charge it... but I want to keep using my ipad, so where's the pinkie-nail-sized adapter again? Eh, screw it, I'll do something else."

[EDIT] also, when's it done? Dunno. Oh and the tiny adapter is directional, though either side kinda fits whichever way you put it, but I guess putting an arrow on it or making the ends different colors wouldn't have been "beautiful" so there's a little getting-it-right ritual every time. Get it wrong and it won't charge. Which, again, any little LED indicator of charging status would've solved that problem, too.

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Apple Pencil 1 actually came with an adapter to charge it. I take it you've never used it before.

Right! This is one of my biggest peeves with anti-Apple complainers...there are a few legitimate complaints with some of Apple's current designs but this isn't one! Apple Pencil 2 wireless charging nonwithstanding, this is the better design. Plugging in to your iPad is much better than having to dig out a cable, plug it into the Pencil, plug the other end somewhere else. Just think when your Pencil dies, which is mor…

The one that provides strain relief for lateral movements that may occur whenever anybody touches the other end of the lever you just jammed into the socket, with the fulcrum being the point of contact with the connector.

This is another example of sound engineering taking a back seat to user-facing design.

Instead of a fully removable cap, I would have used a tether to keep it secured to the device, and the connector would be on a short cord with a 90-degree connector. A removable clip would then secure the device to the edge of the pad as it charges. Otherwise the whole thing could flop around without damage to the male connector or female socket. Though this is all with the benefit of hindsight, everyone ought to know better than to plug anything into anything else without some strain relief.

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> tune and configure it to work You really don't have to do that. For example: I put Ubuntu Mate on a 2009 Macbook that could not run MacOs anymore (too slow). I had to install a wifi driver, and that was it. Everything else worked out of the box. My current Dell Inspiron 7000 laptop is running the same OS, and needed 0 drivers installed. I put Antergos on an Intel Nuc (that I later switched to Ubuntu Server). Again,…

If you don’t have to tune Linux to get it to work, then why does every single complaint about Linux’s battery life in laptops get met with “install TLP?” Of course Windows is shit in this respect too these days. I got two extra hours of battery life from my X1 Carbon by wiping the disk and installing Windows LTSB. But even then I still have to police things, watching for driver updates or software installs that rando…

> It’s like nobody tests these things.

What's really happening is perverse incentive structures. Ideally all energy use of every app would be accounted for and, somehow, relayed back to the original "responsible agent" (e.g. a signed app being responsible for all its subprocesses). This then needs to be tied to some valuation.. in an app store, you could say e.g. lower commission based on energy efficiency, or just a higher ranking score.

Currently, resource usage suffers from the tragedy of the commons, and it will remain that way until we fix the incentives.

OSX is starting on that road, as you can see with the Energy tab in activity monitor. I wonder if they will take further steps with it, but it's a good start. (You'd then want e.g. browsers to allow push the accounting down to invidual sites; now we're suddenly attacking death-by-JS as well.)

One day! But until that day, you are right: nobody tests those things. Why would they? Honestly, if you're creating drivers for something, worrying about energy use is... is so inconsequential it's borderline altruistic. Who will ever, really notice? It's basically charity work. That needs to change.

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> “So, just curious, why did you buy another one?” she asked, referring to the 2018 MacBook Air I’d gotten six months after selling the Pro. I was hoping she talked more about this part, but brushing it aside by bringing up "Apple ecosystem" is pretty unsatisfactory. It does tell you, though, that Apple has its target demographic by the balls, and broken keyboards are certainly not chasing them away. Macbooks will ge…

> they tried a Windows laptop and liked it This requires Windows to become likeable. I (and plenty of other people) will like Windows once it: * has a consistent UI instead of 3 control panels with icons and UI paradigms ranging from Windows 95 to Windows 10. * ships with quality applications that don't try to eat the entire screen to display 2 lines of text (pretty much all "modern" built-in apps are a disaster in t…

The lock screen is hilariously stupid. Every single time I pop open my surface go, I put in the first characters of my password, only to realize oops, I've gotta swipe up / press enter.
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