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After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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not if they are on the same axis. then anything along that axis cannot have its depth determined

It can through other signals. You can drive successfully with one eye.

That's not stereopsis. And it's terribly inaccurate.

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It can through other signals. You can drive successfully with one eye.

That's not stereopsis. And it's terribly inaccurate.

No it isn’t. You can perceive depth through motion. And one eyed people can drive a car legally: https://itstillruns.com/can-drive-blind-one-eye-5689258.html

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I would be a lot more forgiving of these screwups if Tesla didn't constantly swear up and down that they've solved self-driving cars. As far back as 2016 they were claiming they had full SDC capability above human driver safety [1], and their recent Model Y announcement suggests that the only thing holding it up is regulatory approval, and not failure to achieve the desired spec. >Model Y will have Full Self-Driving…

They solved it, they just need 100x faster GPUs in cars to be reliable outside datacenters ;-)

Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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this is the point I see getting lost. This isn't someone overstating the how good a pair of pants make me look. It's more like selling a flame thrower as a weeding tool. I know that sometimes these lines are objective, but acting like you can't tell okay and not okay apart because the line is gray in some cases just seems to be bad faith. If you are okay with Tesla misleading selling a prototype feature in the name o…

Don't you mean selling a weeding tool as a "flame thrower" ?

What you describe would be a disappointment. What he describe would be life-threatening.

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I think a careful interpretation shows how far that is. A self-driving system ought not be considered reliable until it can drive O(100 million miles) without disconnecting once, in order to match human reliability (that's about the distance between fatal accidents currently). A guaranteed disconnect within 25 miles is many zeros of missing reliability. A Disney park engineer once relayed to me the philosophy for des…

Sure, and we are not there yet and nobody has claimed that we are.

This is the comment thread beginning with "Musk claims 2020 for sleep while the car drives". I think the point of this discussion is that Musk, has been implying that.

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If my anecdote is useful for anything, my car drives about 90% of my 25mi commute today on its own, including leaving one highway and going over a ramp to then merge into another highway. Needless to say that I’m extremely happy with what has been delivered so far.

And if your trip on autopilot is 99.9% reliable, how would you feel about that stat? Do you find yourself paying attention to the road context the entire time? I'm curious if your mental acuity has dropped over time as the car has driven you.

You start trusting it more as you use it and learn its flaws, so you can anticipate when it may do something stupid. I pay attention the entire time, but it is a much more relaxed experience. I’d still pay attention the entire time even if it were supposedly 100%.

It is very sad that a lot of people in this forum are hoping this never works. It is one of the most exciting advancements in technology that can benefit us all, but people here seem to be more interested in seeing Musk and Tesla fail rather than hoping they achieve this and bring the whole industry forward one more time, affecting millions of lives.

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Cars have gotten so safe though. There's all this measures put in place to ensure your survival _in case of a crash_. Wouldn't it be more relevant to calculate the chances of getting injured / end up in a crash at all? I mean just being caught up in a traffic accident and have no bodily harm done to you can be a traumatic event.

You're not wrong. There are plenty of accidents caused by inattention and poor driving that aren't fatal, but that do result in injuries... a quick search didn't give me much information but crashes with injuries appear to be about 100x more common than fatal crashes. This doesn't take into account how serious the injuries are, however. So if we assume that serious injuries are 10x more common than fatalities, that r…

As an aside, as of 2019, you are more likely to die of an opiate overdose in the US than as a result of a car accident.

Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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Sure, and we are not there yet and nobody has claimed that we are.

This is the comment thread beginning with "Musk claims 2020 for sleep while the car drives". I think the point of this discussion is that Musk, has been implying that.

I’m pretty sure it is still 2019.

Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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My Model 3 suddenly changed lanes today for no discernible reason. I think it considered my lane to jump over into the next lane, for some reason. I should have hit 'Record' to save the footage from TeslaCam. (Notably, AutoPilot is not supposed to change lanes without explicit confirmation from the driver, which is clearly illustrated on the dashboard/panel.) It's a stretch of road on which I have previously used Aut…

Recently I accidentally changed lanes in an intersection. The road had 3 lanes in each direction (+ separate streetcar tracks down the center), including the right lane which was required to turn. I was in the center lane. After the intersection the road was still a 3 lane road - which didn't quite register on my brain. I moved from the center lane to the right lane (figuring it exited so I was supposed to be in the…

My car and I are stupid in different ways. It has perfect attention and will always brake in time to avoid a fender-bender in traffic. It’s also a lot worse than I am about reading and communicating intent with other drivers or simply recognizing the objects around us.
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