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Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by Klathmon »

Anon1096 wrote: post #273
joncampbelldev wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe this is usually called the "Please think of the children" argument (or women in this case). I imagine the person you are replying to is not a closet rape supporter, but they likely think that allowing every adult member of a population to arm themselves is not the ideal solution. I imagine you disagree with that view, but the way you have expressed yourself is the start of an emotional flame-war, not a disc…

Arguments against guns are almost universally a think of the children argument though.

Not every argument about personal safety is a "think of the children" argument.

Guns are dangerous. Yes they can be used for self defense, but they are also dangerous on their own.

I believe that un-regulated guns are more dangerous (to everyone) than the danger of some subset of people being more vulnerable without them.

I'm not advocating for a ban, but heavy regulation about who can buy them, how, what kind of training they need, and verification of safe storage. Just like I'd expect my government to do with other highly dangerous things like explosives, some drugs, and more.

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Post by aaron-lebo »

lettergram wrote: post #189
birksherty wrote: post #174

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General population don't practice ramming car into crowd. Those are not hobbies. So, when mentally ill people want to cause harm they don't use those methods. It does not normally comes to mind. But, shooting is common. It's a hobby. A killing machine is normalized and it becomes a culture. So, those mentally ill men feels completely normal to shoot people when they go crazy. Consider this: ramming car into objects b…

> That's why countries where gun are banned for general population, does not have mass murder by "common people" like USA. First I beg to differ- compare the EU to the U.S. or the U.S. to India, or to China for that matter or the U.S. to Brazil. Not just "countries". The US is one of the largest countries on Earth (by population and landmass), with one of the most diverse sets of population... It's really hard to eve…

Confused with your statement. Do you mean to suggest that India and Brazil aren't large countries with diverse and large populations? The same with the EU (though not a single country).

The comparison isn't favorable to the US.

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Post by thinkingemote »

collias wrote: post #51

This is the 21st century equivalent to burning books.

The lesson in Fahrenheit 451 (the famous book about book burning) is that the laws were initially changed to burn pornography, obscenity and disgusting books, the whole country, everyone, approved these laws, and then the scope widened.....

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by typon »

thinkingemote wrote: post #279

"Reddit and Youtube are shooting themselves in the foot!" some would say. "I'm moving to this other site!" those directly affected say. And the rest of the users and the sites say "bye! Good riddance!", thinking that they have just surgically removed a small portion of the site. But they are wrong, the effect will be huge and far reaching and here's why: What Reddit and those cheering the migration of gun and sex ent…

?? Are you somehow suggesting that people involved in gun sales or drug sales on reddit are somehow meme generators keeping the culture alive?? People made the same arguments when /r/fatpeoplehate was banned and /r/niggers was banned, and before that when /r/jailbait was banned.

Nothing changed except the site got a bit better because a bunch of the assholes migrated to voat or remade those subreddits under different names.

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Post by thinkingemote »

benmmurphy wrote: post #14
platinumrad wrote: post #8

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Voat already exists and already has a reputation for being both terrible and a ghost town.

The problem with voat is it basically the dregs of reddit so no-one respectable wants to be associated with it. But if reddit bans enough stuff that is semi-respectable and those people are able to hold their nose to migrate to voat they might end up making voat respectable enough to overcome their current poor reputation.

redditors belong to many subreddits. by banning some subreddits, reddit doesn't just affect those subreddits, they affect the users who post in many other subreddits also. If they move to Voat, they will straighten out the site, they will bring good content, and then others will come for that.

Just as reddit has toxic content, but hardly anyone goes there, so will Voat have the same characteristics....but at the moment, it's not like that.

reddit was mainly a tech forum when it started, then people started making it more accessible, then more people arrived.

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Post by maxlybbert »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #259
prawn wrote: post #148

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I live in a country where it is quite unusual for someone to own a gun, but I can appreciate that YouTube how-tos are a great educational tool in the situation you describe. From YouTube's message though, it seemed that they were only cracking down on how-tos pertaining to specific things like magazine size or automatic fire. Would that pertain to the 100+ year old rifle and general gun maintenance/malfunctions?

Ahoy from across the sea! I grew up in Port Lincoln, then moved to Adelaide, and now Launceston. Also, I have family in Queensland. In my experience it isn’t unusual at all for someone to own a gun, or guns, in Australia. My father had guns, my sisters family have multiple guns for pig hunting. Half the guys I work with have a veritable smorgasbord of firearms, I’m talking 10+ firearms, for hunting and just general e…

The average city dweller in the US doesn’t own a gun either. There are plenty of guns around, but often it feels more like a boogeyman than a real threat.

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Post by zitterbewegung »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #15

This is very dismaying to see I have used Youtube in the past for seeing how to install gun accessories, put guns together, how to fix malfunctions, etc. Watching those videos has made me a more knowledgeable, and hence more responsible gun owner. This is an especially large blow for people who are part of niche communities, like reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles. A lot of historical content will be lost. The n…

Reddit and Youtube are becoming more and more draconian for one reason. They REALLY need people to stay on their advertisement platform. For instance Reddit has always had issues with its content clashing with advertisers. Youtube I think has gone into rougher times with its relation to advertisers (I remember proctor and gamble pulled their ads). When your advertisers complain about your platform having content they don't want they will remove it with extreme prejudice.

As an aside I am also dismayed in the fact that I find videos like these interesting but I will never own a gun but I like watching reviews and demos of them.

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Post by jakeogh »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #280
jakeogh wrote: post #198

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"full on assault" Which means? Too many bullets? Wrong color? Too accurate? Too easy to use? It's a meaningless term unless you interpret as a positive attribute.

You're right. What's important is he had 24* weapons, 14 of which were AR-15s with bump stocks which allowed them to fire at 9 rounds per sec (easily Googleable). So not technically assault rifles but practically he had 14 assault rifles. Which is crazy. How can you even purchase that many? Do those who resist gun control believe arsenals like that are reasonable? This question is in good faith. I just don't understa…

He can only shoot one gun at once. It's (much) faster to change a mag than to switch guns. Think harder about why he may have had so many. Maybe look into his very unusual non-history and the people around him.

If it's not obvious, officially what happened in Vegas is a coverup.

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Post by simias »

gtlondon wrote: post #251
Rebelgecko wrote: post #15

This is very dismaying to see I have used Youtube in the past for seeing how to install gun accessories, put guns together, how to fix malfunctions, etc. Watching those videos has made me a more knowledgeable, and hence more responsible gun owner. This is an especially large blow for people who are part of niche communities, like reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles. A lot of historical content will be lost. The n…

We seem to be moving from an era when internet censorship was considered bad, to one where "It's OK, we're just censoring this". I have no sympathy towards gun use - but the principle of large monopolies applying their own morals to censor content seems wrong.

This is only a problem because we allowed the web to become centralized around a few large hubs. It makes sense for Youtube to ban this controversial content. It's not new either, websites banning some types of content based on arbitrary rules is as old as the internet. It's not censorship, it's moderating your platform. The problem is that Youtube is so big and almost monopolistic that removing this content from Youtube effectively means removing it from the internet for a large chunk of the population.

If you don't want large monopolies to act as censors then don't put them in the position to do so. You're uploading your videos for free on their platforms, sometimes even expecting them to pay you for it. I can't really see how you can complain if they decide that they don't want to deal with your content anymore. Find an other platform or make your own, that's how the internet is supposed to work.

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