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Without Capitalism we wouldn’t have anything like Facebook or Twitter. These services don’t control ‘the’ flow of information, they are entirely additive to what we had before. Arguing that we have worse options for communication now is bizarre. So what is the non capitalist alternative? State controlled social media services? Really? That would be a better option in Romania right now? Facebook is far from perfect, I…

>So what is the non capitalist alternative? Here they are: https://prism-break.org/en/all/#social-networks

I would go one further and suggest simply hosting your own site.

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>A couple of years back I was enthusiastic about the rise of social media for informing and coordinating citizens to fight injustice. Now that I'm older and wiser, I can tell you that no evolution or revolution can happen because of Facebook, only regression. Facebook is poison. I'll add to that. The internet is a great tool for coordinating citizens, spreading information, and fighting injustice. Having facebook , o…

The internet just increases the amount of information flow - what one does with it reflects whatever their values are.

But depending on how you shape that information flow, you can create pretty weird outcomes because it allows for straight up wrong information to be consolidated in such a way that it might appear "true".

The Internet (social media to be more specific) has helped people with fringe ideas to connect with each other on a global basis, regardless of how fringe these ideas might be. Pre social-media these "fringe believers" used to be so fractured and compartmentalized, limiting their influence and general visibility quite much.

Social media has allowed for these fringe believers to find each other, not just allowed, it's pretty much motivated it by personalizing what content and users get surfaced to them. To put it in not so nice terms: Facebook has facilitated a situation where individual town-idiots unite on a global scale, this allows them to shape the public discourse in ways they haven't been able to before.

Case in point: People throwing around the term "cultural Marxism" these days like it's the most normal thing in the world. When "cultural Marxism" is basically just a reframing of the age-old Nazi conspiracy theory about the "International Jews controlling everything".

Not too long ago you could easily disregard people spreading such memes, as they were rare and single individuals. This doesn't work anymore because the idea of "cultural Marxism" being an actual thing has now been legitimized through massive social media echo chambers.

The sad part is that many of these people often don't even know what they are regurgitating because they get all their information just from their social media feeds. A quick google search of "cultural Marxism" should be able to educate anybody in a matter of minutes, but that would involve effort while "+like" and "share" barely requires any effort and is the far more appealing course of action when users see something that reinforces their beliefs.

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>A couple of years back I was enthusiastic about the rise of social media for informing and coordinating citizens to fight injustice. Now that I'm older and wiser, I can tell you that no evolution or revolution can happen because of Facebook, only regression. Facebook is poison. I'll add to that. The internet is a great tool for coordinating citizens, spreading information, and fighting injustice. Having facebook , o…

Without Capitalism we wouldn’t have anything like Facebook or Twitter. These services don’t control ‘the’ flow of information, they are entirely additive to what we had before. Arguing that we have worse options for communication now is bizarre. So what is the non capitalist alternative? State controlled social media services? Really? That would be a better option in Romania right now? Facebook is far from perfect, I…

> So what is the non capitalist alternative?

From my understanding, 100% worker owned and operated co-ops that give the average worker more democratic control in the work place.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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>A couple of years back I was enthusiastic about the rise of social media for informing and coordinating citizens to fight injustice. Now that I'm older and wiser, I can tell you that no evolution or revolution can happen because of Facebook, only regression. Facebook is poison. I'll add to that. The internet is a great tool for coordinating citizens, spreading information, and fighting injustice. Having facebook , o…

Without Capitalism we wouldn’t have anything like Facebook or Twitter. These services don’t control ‘the’ flow of information, they are entirely additive to what we had before. Arguing that we have worse options for communication now is bizarre. So what is the non capitalist alternative? State controlled social media services? Really? That would be a better option in Romania right now? Facebook is far from perfect, I…

First it is a confusion about the condition of capitalism and democracy. Capitalism can function very well in a dictatorship .

Second , Facebook is able to make compromise about free speech because is just a bussiness . If in a country , the usage of facebook is conditionated by the power ,the company will accept the rules of the power because its interest is to make money in that country. You can see china.

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Facebook should really think about whether they want to piss off Romanians protesting. Christmas is coming.

Sorry, but I don't get the reference. Is Santa Claus Romanian?

He, and his wife, were executed so they don't talk. It was not the will of the people, but rather the ones surrounding him in the former regime, who subsequently took the power. Romania, I believe, is the only ex-communist country where the former ruler was executed.

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If you still use facebook on a daily basis, you are in part responsible for what is happening to the free web. Sorry. I said it. I'm getting bummed at the frequency I hear the excuse, "But I don't have a choice, network effects..blah blah blah." Doing the right thing isn't fucking easy. So stop the excuses.

I use facebook for keeping track of events. If someone would just make a good replacement for that (that people would use) I wouldn't attribute much utility to facebook.

Do something about it. Every little thing matters.

I just submitted an issue to Mastodon: https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/5843

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Let's be honest: fake news was one the biggest own goals of the leftist American media. After breathlessly fellating Clinton non stop, they thought drawing attention to manufactured or biased information would not backfire. Because they still see themselves as the gatekeepers of informed and civilized society. Kind of like everything else they've done lately. Rape culture: turns out it's real after all... in ultra-le…

Leftism and Clinton in the same post is very amusing, America is weird. I can't really think of anything about her that aligns with leftists politics.

Seriously.

In the US they have two parties. Right and Far Right. The media reflects that as well.

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Leftism and Clinton in the same post is very amusing, America is weird. I can't really think of anything about her that aligns with leftists politics.

If you're far enough to the right, everyone starts to look like a leftist.

That is the kicker isn't it. It's the Overton Window in action;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

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Without Capitalism we wouldn’t have anything like Facebook or Twitter. These services don’t control ‘the’ flow of information, they are entirely additive to what we had before. Arguing that we have worse options for communication now is bizarre. So what is the non capitalist alternative? State controlled social media services? Really? That would be a better option in Romania right now? Facebook is far from perfect, I…

First it is a confusion about the condition of capitalism and democracy. Capitalism can function very well in a dictatorship . Second , Facebook is able to make compromise about free speech because is just a bussiness . If in a country , the usage of facebook is conditionated by the power ,the company will accept the rules of the power because its interest is to make money in that country. You can see china.

Do you have an example? In most dictatorships I know state was deeply involved in the economy, thus making it socialist.

Capitalism requires free markets. Freedom, the opposite of dictatorship.

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> So what is the non capitalist alternative? State controlled social media services? The alternative is not state controlled media, but rather anything other than an oligopoly. For several reasons it overtook IRC, personal websites, etc, but alternatives are not unthinkable.

"Bicameral" board structure in a B-Corp w/ appropriate mission. A blocking vote's worth of "stakeholders" which have predetermined portions of a holdings company (Ben Cohen, thnx!) Accept capital the same, yet shareholders only have x% instead of x+f *users%. Make revenue via advertisement, hosting, SaaS; aggregate, anonymize and make available the data. Cloud computing, independent instances + economies of scale for…

Sounds interesting, now go build it. Don’t just tell others what to do, lead by example and prove that it’s viable.
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