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>A couple of years back I was enthusiastic about the rise of social media for informing and coordinating citizens to fight injustice. Now that I'm older and wiser, I can tell you that no evolution or revolution can happen because of Facebook, only regression. Facebook is poison. I'll add to that. The internet is a great tool for coordinating citizens, spreading information, and fighting injustice. Having facebook , o…

Without Capitalism we wouldn’t have anything like Facebook or Twitter. These services don’t control ‘the’ flow of information, they are entirely additive to what we had before. Arguing that we have worse options for communication now is bizarre. So what is the non capitalist alternative? State controlled social media services? Really? That would be a better option in Romania right now? Facebook is far from perfect, I…

> So what is the non capitalist alternative? State controlled social media services?

The alternative is not state controlled media, but rather anything other than an oligopoly. For several reasons it overtook IRC, personal websites, etc, but alternatives are not unthinkable.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Opt out. Nobody is forcing you to use Facebook. If you think it’s poison, don’t use it. The rest of the Internet is still here, trust me!

> Nobody is forcing you to use Facebook. EVERY zombie contact of mine contaminated by Facebook is forcing me to use it. This argument is a fallacy as FB is everywhere. The rest of the internet IS NOT still here as almost all content creators are hooked or moving to facebook, youtube and instagram. The only "opt out" available is to tear it down.

Maybe you need better friends

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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It’s not clear to me whether Facebook is in bed with government agencies at a corporate level, or has just been compromised by them, but I have seen active censorship with my own eyes in the UK during politically sensitive periods so this is no surprise to me.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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>A couple of years back I was enthusiastic about the rise of social media for informing and coordinating citizens to fight injustice. Now that I'm older and wiser, I can tell you that no evolution or revolution can happen because of Facebook, only regression. Facebook is poison. I'll add to that. The internet is a great tool for coordinating citizens, spreading information, and fighting injustice. Having facebook , o…

Without Capitalism we wouldn’t have anything like Facebook or Twitter. These services don’t control ‘the’ flow of information, they are entirely additive to what we had before. Arguing that we have worse options for communication now is bizarre. So what is the non capitalist alternative? State controlled social media services? Really? That would be a better option in Romania right now? Facebook is far from perfect, I…

> So what is the non capitalist alternative? State controlled social media services? Really? That would be a better option in Romania right now?

Right here you ask for an alternative, then suggest it is one particular alternative, then argue against that as if it's the only answer. Do you think that's an honest way of debating?

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Russia is definitely the reason behind every problem in the US, including erectile dysfunction, Facebook, the election, and hurricane Harvey

The person pouring petrol on a fire didn't start the fire.

Think where that petrol has come from. Western world indirectly supported corruption and totalitarianism by allowing investment of stolen government money for decades. All oligarchs and families of Russian officials are now citizens of the US / EU and they're your problem.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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It's an example of manipulation. Facebook removed an important item from my "news feed."

Did they arrange it so that you didn't see that post (why would they?), or did you just miss seeing it, or is it just ranked poorly by their algorithm? Seems like there's a lot of possible explanations, it doesn't seem obvious to me that it's Facebook's fault/

When one of the options is: "Show me the News Feed in chronological order, omitting nothing," [0] then Facebook will not be at fault.

[0] I am aware of appending /?sk=h_chr to the URL. It does not work 100%.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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I think what many people don't know or understand, is that facebook is not the internet. So when you write something at facebook you ask a company to host your story under their domain. And as the company is held responsible for what they host, they have to review everything before publishing it. When we wrote forum posts back in the day, it was no different. If the forum operator didn't like what you wrote, he just…

>I think what many people don't know or understand, is that facebook is not the internet.

The Internet is whatever people will engage with. That is something the creators and early adopters (30-50 year olds) will have to come to grips with, as we did when Gopher and other protocols were ignored.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Violence? Drag his body down the street? Attacking innocent people until everyone does what you say? Those groups get labelled terrorist. That is the difference between a first world country and a second or third. Some people may hate trump but they also know in a few years people will have the option of voting for someone else. When you change leaders by dragging them down a street you get the types of leaders who w…

> Violence? Drag his body down the street? Attacking innocent people until everyone does what you say? Those groups get labelled terrorist. Or, an ICE agent, police officer, border agent, private security guard, etc. etc.

Exactly this is what I meant with "inherent violence in the capitalist system".

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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If you still use facebook on a daily basis, you are in part responsible for what is happening to the free web. Sorry. I said it. I'm getting bummed at the frequency I hear the excuse, "But I don't have a choice, network effects..blah blah blah." Doing the right thing isn't fucking easy. So stop the excuses.

I use facebook for keeping track of events. If someone would just make a good replacement for that (that people would use) I wouldn't attribute much utility to facebook.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Without Capitalism we wouldn’t have anything like Facebook or Twitter. These services don’t control ‘the’ flow of information, they are entirely additive to what we had before. Arguing that we have worse options for communication now is bizarre. So what is the non capitalist alternative? State controlled social media services? Really? That would be a better option in Romania right now? Facebook is far from perfect, I…

> So what is the non capitalist alternative? State controlled social media services? The alternative is not state controlled media, but rather anything other than an oligopoly. For several reasons it overtook IRC, personal websites, etc, but alternatives are not unthinkable.

"Bicameral" board structure in a B-Corp w/ appropriate mission. A blocking vote's worth of "stakeholders" which have predetermined portions of a holdings company (Ben Cohen, thnx!)

Accept capital the same, yet shareholders only have x% instead of x+f*users%.

Make revenue via advertisement, hosting, SaaS; aggregate, anonymize and make available the data. Cloud computing, independent instances + economies of scale for the cohort.

AI assisted web-rings for social media/hypermedia. It would profit-share the popular content creators AND open source contributors.

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