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Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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I sometimes wonder which materials I directly interact with on a regular basis that people in a few decades wouldn't touch for anything short of large amounts of money. History tells us there are probably a few. Guessing at least a couple are plastics or plastic additives/coatings of some kind. Maybe whatever they replaced BPA with. Possibly gasoline will qualify. Probably one or two things currently on/in our food.

Some years ago (and I mean decades) my teenage self read somewhere or heard someone talking of the unknown dangers of some gas being released by motherboards (think: silent killers).

That is usually flame retardant:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_retardant

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Most chicken sold is pumped up with water (because water is cheaper than chicken). To bind the water, they add a ton of salt. To counteract the salty taste, they add sugar. As a side effect, it makes skinless boneless chicken breasts less likely to dry out if you overcook them slightly. The end result is that most people find the taste of non-pumped chicken unappealing, because they're simply used to the faked-up sal…

Yup. Bought a precooked whole chicken at Wegmans a couple weeks ago. The small printed said up to 12% was water and other ingredients (e.g., salt). All we wanted was chicken.

You're basically paying chicken prices for salted sugar water, it's crazy.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Estrogen in Soy causing #SoyBoys

Myth. There's much more estrogen in dairy. Milk is packed with hormones. It comes from a female cow after giving birth for heavens sake.

"The bullets from handguns."

"Myth. There's much more 'bullet' to a rifle round."

Just because there may be more estrogen in milk, how does that take away from the estrogen in soy?

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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The reason is that in the 1970s and 80s people started freaking out about fat. Everyone from the FDA to USDA to family doctor was telling people fat was bad. So food producers started making fat-free versions of everything. Only problem is it tasted like shit. So what did they do? They added sugar. So now you have sugar added to everything from salad dressing to pasta sauce to bread and muffins. The latter probably h…

There was no fat to remove from pasta sauce. Maybe they also figured out that sugar was addictive and added it everywhere to sell even more food with sugar?

There's a term in the industry that's used for the amount of sugar that makes a food tastier/more addictive while not making it too sweet, don't remember what it is though. But yeah, it's like you said, they add it to everything to make it better tasting and more addictive.

There was some lab-rat study super long ago where they got mice/rats addicted to sugar and cocaine, then let them pick between the two - and they chose the sugar every single time.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Sugar is not far from being a drug in my opinion. It certainly feels addictive and has a definite impact on physical and mental state (especially true with respect to children). In that sense, it should undergo the same level of regulation...

I think I saw a documentary where they showed that brain scans of people addicted to sugar looked the same as those addicted to cocaine, and in some lab-rat study where they got rats/mice addicted to both sugar and cocaine, and got the choice to picke between them, they chose sugar over cocaine 9 times out of 10.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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I recently started the Whole 30 diet (paleo), and it's nearly impossible to avoid sugar, corn starch, and dextrose. Almost all fooeds seem to have one of those. Often for no reason: why put sugar in beans and bacon, or corn starch in turkey? The amount of money I'm spending on food jumped by 3x. It seems accurate to say that if you're poor, you're almost forced to eat sugar for economic reasons.

No, that's because you have the artificial requirement to eat meat and stuff, which usually has additives. I've been in a whole food plant based diet and it's super cheap to buy all of the fruits, vegetables, grains, etc in bulk.

Fruits and vegetables in bulk? How are you storing them? If we don't eat ours within a few days or a week they spoil.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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I recently started the Whole 30 diet (paleo), and it's nearly impossible to avoid sugar, corn starch, and dextrose. Almost all fooeds seem to have one of those. Often for no reason: why put sugar in beans and bacon, or corn starch in turkey? The amount of money I'm spending on food jumped by 3x. It seems accurate to say that if you're poor, you're almost forced to eat sugar for economic reasons.

>Almost all fooeds seem to have one of those Almost all prepared, packaged, or preserved foods have one of those. The solution is actually pretty simple: eat meals made from base/raw ingredients only. Beans, nuts, meats, vegetables, fruits, vegetable oils, spices... Endless varieties of stuff to cook with, combine, and eat alone. People just aren't used to eating this way, because prepackaged crap has been the norm f…

> prepackaged crap has been the norm for so long

> if you're poor, it's difficult to eat this way, though.

And it is difficult for some poor people to eat this way because their cultural poverty exacerbates or even causes their financial poverty. Their parents (if they were lucky enough to have two) didn't teach them to prepare basic meals, sharpen a knife, or care for a frying pan. Each of these skills is a barrier to entry, and they add up quickly for basic meals.

It's not the only major barrier, but I think that we have really pulled the rug out from the poorest by exchanging cultural norms for convenience and a net rise in costs.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Funfact: The highest concentration of NO2 is not found around pedestrians but inside the cars. Most models don't have suitable filter in the standard issue outside of Europe and Japan (and there only the higher-class private ones).

Are we talking about the cabin air filter? and do you know of any 3rd party suitable replacements?

Yes, the issue is the cabin air filter. The simple paper pollen filters don't do anything against NO2 - we measure the same values inside and outside.

Most filters with active charcoal will reduce the NO2 concentration a lot. It is recommended to replace them after 1-2 years or a certain distance, but we don't have numbers on this - still, it is clear the filters degrade after a while.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Are we talking about the cabin air filter? and do you know of any 3rd party suitable replacements?

Post append: According to [1], a simple activated charcoal cabin air filter is better than the stock one in removing diesel exhaust particles. [1]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24621126

Thanks, I didn't know this paper. We just measure the NO2.

edit: Seriously, how did they get that through the ethics committee.. I'm astonished and a little bit appalled. There is a second study too.

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Funfact: The highest concentration of NO2 is not found around pedestrians but inside the cars. Most models don't have suitable filter in the standard issue outside of Europe and Japan (and there only the higher-class private ones).

Good, exactly where it should be highest.

Sometimes I can't help but think so too, but many people are not on the road by choice. Many commercial vehicles don't have filters.
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