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Re: Android’s 10 Millisecond Problem explained

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Post by Frondo »

joenathan wrote: post #248
Frondo wrote: post #244

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To call it "offensive" may be a bit strong (though I'd say it's offensive to those of us who enjoy good use of language ;) ), but exclusive? Sure. It links superior programming and masculinity. You're sitting in a conference room full of women who are developers, and you start saying, "So let's do some manly-man programming and get this done," what are these women supposed to think?

One would hope they were mature enough to understand an idiom, and not so delicate that they would need to be handled with kid gloves.

Really?

So if your dev team consisted of a mix of men and women (not even counting if anyone identified as neither or somewhere in between), you'd still say "Let's put in some manly-man programming time" to them?

What if your dev team consisted of just one employee, a woman? Would you still tell her to put in her manly-man programming time? I'm having trouble seeing it. "Jane, it's crunch time. Can you man up and put in some manly-man programming time this weekend?"

Re: Android’s 10 Millisecond Problem explained

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Post by joenathan »

Frondo wrote: post #271
joenathan wrote: post #248

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One would hope they were mature enough to understand an idiom, and not so delicate that they would need to be handled with kid gloves.

Really? So if your dev team consisted of a mix of men and women (not even counting if anyone identified as neither or somewhere in between), you'd still say "Let's put in some manly-man programming time" to them? What if your dev team consisted of just one employee, a woman? Would you still tell her to put in her manly-man programming time? I'm having trouble seeing it. "Jane, it's crunch time. Can you man up and put…

I already do this exactly, in the case where it's one woman it would be humorous to use that statement and would lighten the mood.

If someone is looking to be offended then they will find a reason no matter what is said or how it's said.

Intent is the thing that should be judged, anything else is a foolish way to live and you will constantly find yourself offended.

Re: Android’s 10 Millisecond Problem explained

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Post by Frondo »

joenathan wrote: post #273
Frondo wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? So if your dev team consisted of a mix of men and women (not even counting if anyone identified as neither or somewhere in between), you'd still say "Let's put in some manly-man programming time" to them? What if your dev team consisted of just one employee, a woman? Would you still tell her to put in her manly-man programming time? I'm having trouble seeing it. "Jane, it's crunch time. Can you man up and put…

I already do this exactly, in the case where it's one woman it would be humorous to use that statement and would lighten the mood. If someone is looking to be offended then they will find a reason no matter what is said or how it's said. Intent is the thing that should be judged, anything else is a foolish way to live and you will constantly find yourself offended.

I'm sure the old people I know who still refer to black folks as "negros" don't mean anything by it. I also bet the people who throw around "gay" as a generic pejorative aren't thinking of actual gay people when they use the word as an insult. That doesn't make either one acceptable here in the 2010s.

Same with telling a woman that doing something "manly-man" style is doing it skillfully.

And even if you know it's going to be taken as humorous, let me give you a hint: it's not very funny. It's just not very good as humor. There is much better material out there if you're going for a joke.

Re: Android’s 10 Millisecond Problem explained

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Post by Frondo »

evincarofautumn wrote: post #268
Frondo wrote: post #246

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I don't know how the original author intended it, except that they seem to equate programming ability with masculinity. If that's what they meant, that's a pretty retrograde attitude. If that isn't what they meant, maybe it's time to update their vocabulary.

We should be considerate in how we listen as well as how we speak. It does no good to speak insensitively, nor to listen oversensitively. Communication is a two-way street. When I feel offended, I treat it as an opportunity to learn about a different viewpoint. Sometimes it makes me change my mind. It always gives me a better understanding of people.

The thing is, you've got a woman right here telling you, "this is exclusionary and seems stupid on the face of it." We don't even have to guess at how it's taken by someone who doesn't fit into its built-in description; they're telling us in plain language.

The different viewpoint, I guess, is that the original author has some outdated views on gender competence.

I've seen lots of comments saying "oh but it adds flair to language," and that's a reeeeeally weak defense. There is much better language available; that stuff just sounds stupid at best and retrograde at worst.

Re: Android’s 10 Millisecond Problem explained

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Post by cbd1984 »

kabdib wrote: post #249
gone35 wrote: post #228

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"A little manly-man programming from the wrist and we move on to real problems." See... it's the little things like this. I am pretty sure that was not your intention, but please do know that turns of phrases like that hurt a little, and exclude a little. To see what I mean, s/man/jew/ or s/man/white/ or some other category and see how it reads.

Well, if I wanted to offend, I would have. It is frankly no challenge to deliberately say something un-PC and widely offensive. It is also apparently little more challenging to utter something more subtle and more narrowly offensive. I look at "manly man" depictions of, well, manly men (for instance, watch Kevin Kline's performance in A Fish Called Wanda ) as parody. Monty Python did it. Mark Twain probably did it. D…

So you like to be an asshole and impede communications because you don't have anything of value to add, and you get offended when someone calls you on it?

Re: Android’s 10 Millisecond Problem explained

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Post by cbd1984 »

kabdib wrote: post #120

I'd heard over the years that working with isochronous systems was difficult. I'd done a number of real-time systems before, and written OS schedulers and NTP-like systems and so forth. A little audio work should be a walk in the park, right? A little manly-man programming from the wrist and we move on to real problems. So I walked into an audio project thinking that "Oh, this latency and synchronization stuff, how b…

None of this is correct.

Re: Android’s 10 Millisecond Problem explained

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Post by [deleted] »

staunch wrote: post #251
kabdib wrote: post #249

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Well, if I wanted to offend, I would have. It is frankly no challenge to deliberately say something un-PC and widely offensive. It is also apparently little more challenging to utter something more subtle and more narrowly offensive. I look at "manly man" depictions of, well, manly men (for instance, watch Kevin Kline's performance in A Fish Called Wanda ) as parody. Monty Python did it. Mark Twain probably did it. D…

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Re: Android’s 10 Millisecond Problem explained

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Post by madez »

vlaskovits wrote: post #252
madez wrote: post #216

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What are the concrete steps you are taking to tackle the issue? Idea: A latency ranking for devices would put pressure on manufactures. Will you work together with the Linux community so we all benefit from it?

Hi there -- latency ranking you ask? As Westley from The Princess Bride might reply, "As you wish" http://superpowered.com/latency :)

Awesome, thank you!

It's remarkable how apple cares about certain quality aspects of their devices. They would be interesting options if they wouldn't jail and lock you down :/ However, I wonder why newer and supposedly faster devices like the iPhone 6 have higher latency. I'd think to surpass the latter generation would be the goal for each successor.

Also, it seems Samsung is taking the challenge seriously.

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